[Foundation] JSF == Jabber Standards Foundation?

Matt Tucker matt at jivesoftware.com
Fri May 23 00:35:30 CDT 2003


> Honestly, I would take all of these arguments for getting rid of the 
> word "Jabber" a lot more seriously if they weren't only coming from 
> solely commercial sources. 

Yes, those of us that are commercial have a lot more at stake. I also 
work on an Open Source XMPP client library, and if that was my only 
involvement in the community then I probably wouldn't care as much about 
this debate.

However, I think it *should* be an important issue for non-commercial 
community members since I truly believe that a name change would be 
beneficial for the organization and the protocol.

> These arguments that "the community will grow 
> if we call ourselves the [insert your word here] Software Foundation" 
> fall short of inspiration. I agree that naming is important - -- but 
> getting rid of the name of the COMMUNITY that built this phenomenon 
> seems unwise.

Let's be clear -- Jabber is the name of a company and the JSF is the 
name of the community. The "phenomenon" is a core protocol that is now 
known as XMPP and extensions through JEP's. It's time for the community 
to continue to evolve past the company name and into a truly open body.

There are issues of fairness and confusion that simply haven't been 
addressed by those arguing to keep Jabber in the name.

> Any person who has ever tried to build a community will 
> tell you that changing from an established, known name to something else 
> _will_ hurt community recognition (and likely growth/adoption).

Yes, it's not a trivial change. However, a shift to XMPP as the dominant 
terminology isn't exactly radical. It's been happening gradually ever 
since the IETF efforts started. These days, everyone agrees that the 
core protocol is called "XMPP" and not "Jabber", whereas it was a pretty 
different story one year ago. Now it's important that we continue that 
shift. I really doubt that any momentum in the community would be lost.

> Of course, I suppose I'm a "bad guy", given that I work for JINC, so 
> what do I know?

Nope, being from JInc doesn't make you a "bad guy" whatsoever. I hope 
that I've been clear on this point throughout my emails -- I've always 
been extremely impressed with JInc's commitment to this community and to 
open standards.

However, the community and protocol needs to evolve past Jabber the 
company. A very good way to do that is by changing the name of the JSF.


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