[Foundation] JSF == Jabber Standards Foundation?

Iain Shigeoka iain at jivesoftware.com
Fri May 23 16:25:40 CDT 2003

On Friday, May 23, 2003, at 12:30 US/Pacific, Tony Bamonti wrote:

> I doubt if there's any more "confusion" in the marketplace between 
> Jabber
> and XMPP than there is between Web and HTTP....depending on who you 
> classify
> as the marketplace.   But even that's besides the point because even 
> if you
> change the name from Jabber to FUD, there will be confusion between 
> FUD and
> XMPP unless the JSF (FSF:-)) and community work to clarify the 
> difference.
> And, as Matt Mankins, St. Peter and others have eloquently pointed out,
> there IS a difference between XMPP and Jabber.  XMP is simply a 
> protocol
> specification, Jabber is an extension of the XMPP protocol AND a 
> community
> AND a technology AND multiple software implementations AND a grand 
> concept
> of a next generation Internet infrastructure AND whatever we as the
> community work together to make it be.

I understand this position. But would you concede that it would have 
been confusing if the inventor of the Web created a company called Web 
Inc. and registered the domain name web.com as their company domain, 
and then said the open standard would be managed by Web Standards 
Foundation with the domain web.org (and then had most of the officers 
of Web Standards Foundation be employees of Web Inc, and WSF mainly 
sponsored by Web Inc)? Further, if you wanted to make Web software that 
competed with Web Inc.'s software, would you want your software to 
carry a "Web Basic 1.0 compliant" logo on it (with the logo being very 
similar to the logo of Web Inc.)?

I think JINC has done a great job with the community and keeping things 
open and as fair as possible. But let's face it, when the Jabber 
community sold "Jabber" to Webb, they sold it, name and all. Read the 
copyright at the bottom of the jabber.com website "Jabber (r) is a 
registered trademark of Jabber Inc. All Rights Reserved." It doesn't 
get any plainer than that. :)


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