[Foundation] End Thread --> JSF == Jabber Standards Foundation?
matt at jivesoftware.com
Sat May 24 11:13:39 CDT 2003
> It seems to me that this argument/discussion is driven by three people
> who have something significant to gain stirring up discussion that has
> gone nowhere.
I personally know that the the group is much much larger than that since
I've been having email conversation with a fair number of people about
it. This is not a new idea either -- many of us have been talking about
it for quite some time.
> Until we have a significant body of JSF members that are
> willing and capable of convincing and providing the necessary financial
> resources to make a name change happen, shall we just stop the
So far, two of the JSF sponsoring companies have publically advocated
for a name change and only one has advocated against. However, I don't
understand "necessary financial resources"? Why would changing the name
of the JSF incur additional costs? Is this a veiled threat that JInc
would lessen it's support for the JSF after a name change? Please be
clear, as we all obviously want to understand all the ramifications to
> We've all got more important things to attend to, and this entire thread
> is just eating bandwidth.
Besides the technical work that is happening, I don't think there is any
more important issue. However, I do agree that it's time to take the
discussion to the next level. Those of us that believe a name change is
necessary will create a specific proposal and come back to the
membership with it for further discussion.
> When/if said body of JSF members emerges, I'd also be interested in some
> hard proof that the community will grow faster than it has, if we select
> new name. Until that proof is presented, you will simply not convince me
> that this is a good idea.
Obviously, "hard proof" will be a hard to come up with, although I and
others firmly believe it to be true. However, I think that this is also
a false standard for evaluating the name change. More on this in our
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