[Foundation] JSF == Jabber Standards Foundation?

Richard Dobson richard at dobson-i.net
Wed May 28 14:01:31 CDT 2003

> However, for the purposes of the JSF specifically, I think there is
> already agreement on the current definition of "Jabber" in that context,
> which is primarily the protocol extensions, while XMPP is the term for
> the main protocol.

Plus the name of the entire community of dev's and users, not really "just
the protocol".

> The name change has already been articulated and accepted. Everyone,
> including Jabber Inc. is calling the core protocol XMPP. The entire
> press uses the term and ignores our current "Jabber" extensions. In any
> case, we're not interested in trying to change the name of the "Jabber
> movement". Instead, we want to rename the standards body that creates
> and extends the XMPP protocol. This is a narrow change that has clear
> benefits for everyone.

No so far the benefits you have stated have only really been benefits for
you, not necessarily the wider community.

>   * The IETF will approve XMPP, which means that it will be widely
> adopted by a huge variety of non-commercial and commercial organizations
> that have no knowledge of "Jabber".
>   * Those organizations will be making a choice about whether to
> participate in the JSF and if they should adopt our protocol extensions.
>   Based on our own experiences, we believe that many of the
> organizations will choose to not participate in the JSF or adopt the
> extensions because of the Jabber branding. Would Sun have joined the
> Microsoft-led web services group if it was called "Microsoft Services"?

But the name "Microsoft" has always been associated with a company never has
it been primarily associated with a community so I fail to see the point of
this argument.

> The facts do not agree with this statement. We (the commercial
> companies) have already explained why we cannot use the Jabber brand and
> that we will not be able to advertise compliance with the extensions
> that the JSF creates if they are branded as Jabber. As a marketing
> person, you know that business decisions are not purely technical and
> that many other considerations have to come into play.

What commercial companies are you speaking on behalf of? As far as I have
seen you are only speaking on behalf of your own, you are certainly not
speaking on behalf of all the commercial jabber inplementors, several dont
have problems using the term XMPP/Jabber these include Tipic and i3connect.


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