[Members] SIMPLE

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Wed Aug 10 15:39:56 CDT 2005

Nolan Eakins wrote:
> I just got the digest for the XMPP-WG mailing list that had a link to an 
> XMPP interop with SIMPLE draft. I have to ask, where does interoperating 
> with SIMPLE fit into our goals of being /the/ standard for 
> instant-messaging? We have already witnessed their reinvention of chat 
> state events (composing, etc.), and I'm sure there are more on the way.

Jabber has always been about interoperating with other systems, ever 
since Jer invented it back in 1998. I'd rather interoperate with SIMPLE 
(which at least is an open technology) than with the likes of closed 
services such as AOL, MSN, and Yahoo.

> I'd love to see XMPP be /the /transport Jabber runs over, 

Was there ever any question that XMPP would be the only transport for 
Jabber? The concern seems nonsensical to me.

> but if 
> anything we should not aid SIMPLE by creating drafts to interoperate 
> with it and at the least subvert their efforts with SIP/Jabber.

What is the harm of interoperating? Why subvert anyone else's efforts to 
develop open messaging technologies? Why not concentrate on continuing 
to build out Jabber/XMPP rather than wasting time on subverting SIMPLE? 
Personally I think their technology is so complex that they do a pretty 
good job of subverting SIMPLE all by themselves. :-)


Peter Saint-Andre
Jabber Software Foundation

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