[Members] Voting criteria
richard at dobson-i.net
Thu May 12 03:47:30 CDT 2005
> > Favouring any one project at the expense of others would be a very very
> > bad
> > idea IMO as it would disenfranchise anyone from creating anything new
> > and
> > also other developers continuing their existing competing projects,
> > doing
> > something like this would be very damaging to the JSF IMO, keeping the
> > JSF a
> > more impartial organisation is definately they way to go.
> While I understand what you are basing your opinions on, I have to
> strongly disagree here. There is no disenfranchising here.
> Competition would /encourage/ new developers, new projects and
> actually light some fires under people's feet to make their good
> product great.
I think either you have misunderstood me or you simply havent thought the
implications through properly, having "Official JSF Software" where it would
presumably be restricted to only one of each type of application (i.e. only
one windows client) might encourage some new developers to contribute to
that project, but it is very unlikely to foster development on any new
projects more than at the moment, it is far more likely to stifle any new
development, it certainly will not foster it, the only way to foster it is
with a certification program where those developers have a target to work to
and an award at the end of it. Yes it will light fires under peoples feet,
but that is more likely to make them give up rather than make their product
great as outsiders will from then on likely see their product as second rate
and less good than the official software, and businesses are far less likely
to trust it etc, they might keep their existing users yes, but having an
official JSF project will make it extraordinarily hard for them to compete
and make it not so fun anymore to continue development, at which stage you
just give up, whats the point in making it if you dont enjoy it.
> Life is not fair and all things are not equal. Some software (and I
> daresay some developers) are better than others. I'm not even saying
> "may the best one win" (which could be interesting), but rather, "all
> who meet this baseline gets this badge of honor". It's encouraging
> and a goal to strive for!
Sure of course, its fine if anyone has the opportunity to get the badge
thats fine with me, but in the past the "Official JSF Software" idea has
always been pushed as only one will ever win, which is where the damage to
the community comes in.
> But--I've always been supportive of the certification idea as well.
> But I would want multiple levels. We have already established
> several--XMPP, Basic IM, Intermediate IM, etc. The only thing lacking
> is to formalize a process to get on one of these three lists (or
Yea thats good, IMO certifications is the only really fair way to assign
honours to clients, they have something specific to work for and everyone is
held to the same set of rules to get the honour.
> And once you have that going, why not measure the popularity of
> projects (like Sourceforge)? That would certainly favor the good
> projects over the bad, and that is a good thing.
Yup sure, not entirely sure how you would measure the popularity other than
download counts or surveys tho.
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