[Members] Open Talk / Open Chat

Sean Egan seanegan at google.com
Tue May 8 20:22:57 CDT 2007

On 1/19/07, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at jabber.org> wrote:
> A while back we had a long, inconclusive thread about Jabber vs. XMPP
> vs. something else:
> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/members/2006-November/004118.html
> But we never agreed on what that "something else" should be. Sean
> suggested something with "talk" in it, naturally enough. :-) We've got
> Google Talk. We've got Live Journal Talk. Etc. Unfortunately, Yahoo has
> "Open Talk":

I'm starting up this thread again, as I've managed to start yet
another debate amongst the Pidgin (formally Gaim) developers about
whether or not to create a distinct "Google Talk," choice in the
"available protocols" list.

The debate tends to be mostly between two camps: those who work on the
XMPP plugin claim that since Google Talk *is* XMPP, that it's silly to
special case it, and those who are just tired of addressing the "You
should support Google Talk" feature request.

It's my idea that, if the network of public, federated XMPP-capable IM
servers was given a friendly name like "e-mail," that we could just
rename the XMPP option to "Whatever-that-thing-is," and XMPP services,
clients, and devices could market themselves as being part of this
network, rather than speaking this protocol.

Since at least two of the more prominent public XMPP services already
incorporate the word "Talk," (Google Talk and LJ Talk), I've
recommended that this name be simply "Talk." It should be
non-trademarkable, and anyone using Google Talk or LJ Talk would
probably more quickly recognize "Talk," in a drop-down menu than

> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/messenger/messenger75/whatsnew/othercomms-23.html
> However, the term is not trademarked:
> http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=u50t5a.2.1
> It seems like a nice name so I've just registered open-talk.org. I
> registered open-chat.org too, just for good measure. Shall we do
> something with these?
> Peter
> --
> Peter Saint-Andre
> XMPP Standards Foundation
> http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml

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