[Members] minutes of XSF Annual Meeting, 2009-10-06

Mickaël Rémond mickael.remond at process-one.net
Wed Oct 7 02:38:16 CDT 2009

Hello David,

I was about to offer the same thing because I lost faith in the XSF  
during that past year and the direction it is taking, so I understand  
how you feel.

However, I feel that the XSF should go toward a more neutral, more  
open and more professional approach of the organisation. Keeping the  
organisation this way in an informal mode made some bug organisation  
(some of them being customers so I am aware of it) reluctant to invest  
into XMPP. They have no clear way to have good technical members, that  
are just professional but not XMPP enthousiasts to participate. It  
means that we lose lots of value and feedback from good professionals.  
My view is that protocol management is the weak point of XMPP and is  
what could finally turn out companies from using it.
This is what I wanted to promote in my past time at the XSF board, but  
it was clearly not the direction where members want to go.
So, I remove myself from the board, it will save me another year of  

I know I will be flamed for this mail, but I feel someone has to get  
his hands dirty and I hope once the flamewar is stopped. For those who  
still have the faith, fight for your opinion. Anyone can be wrong at  
some point and I am sure the thing can change if you do not let this  
boat move on its own inertia where only a few members are actually  
really active. Fight and you can make the thing move.
Some members told me that it is hard to promote your opinion in the  
XSF if your not part if an informal core or inner circle. I do not  
know if this is the case but I feel it is not my business, but the  
business of the members, but this can change if those who want to help  
XMPP makes things change and fight for their opinion. Look at every  
document, look at every decision, and share your opinion. Every one  
can have a sensible opinion if given enough time and opportunity to  
express it.
I do feel now I have the faith and energy to do that anymore but I am  
sure others can.

Regarding the board election, I know that you already solve the  
problem by eliminating the fourth candidate as well (From the meeting  
minutes), Nicolas Vérité, which is an odd decision as it is probably  
the most proactive user in Europe.

Anyway, my proposition is the following: David if you still feel that  
you can be useful, which I think you could be you are very welcome to  
the board. I get it is no problem for the member to remember their  
previous position and actually have 5 members, which was the initial  
goal that everyone agreed on.

Sorry for the long rant.
Take care, be open, free minded and fight !

Mickaël Rémond

Le 7 oct. 2009 à 01:28, David Banes a écrit :

> I'll drop out, Mickaël is more active than I am and too be honest I  
> found the position to be a little frustrating, initial enthusiasm to  
> push things forward was dampened fairly quickly.
> So best wishes to the new board, I'll take another run at it next  
> year :)
> regards,
> David.
> David Banes
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> On 07/10/2009, at 10:12 AM, Matthew Wild wrote:
>> 2009/10/7 Florian Jensen <admin at flosoft.biz>:
>>> On 06 Oct 2009, at 23:54, Will Sheward wrote:
>>>> It would be cool to get this sorted quickly and uncool for it to  
>>>> drag on
>>>> too long. Comments/Suggestions?
>>> I would say, let's hold a public member meeting, where the  
>>> candidates show
>>> up, and can be questioned. After that we can have a 24 hour  
>>> memberbot vote?
>> In my experience of short-notice 24 hour votes people tend to miss
>> them and loudly proclaim them unfair... at least with 2 weeks they
>> can't say a word :)
>> Since we have a membership vote coming up soon anyway I propose we
>> decide what we're going to vote on now, and put it to vote along with
>> the membership applications.
>> Of the options Will put forward (assuming one of the candidates
>> doesn't withdraw) then I think just a simple re-vote would suffice.
>> The members simply selecting their preferred candidate perhaps? We do
>> need to specify this for the future.
>> Matthew
>> Matthew
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Mickaël Rémond

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