[Members] Fwd: [Board] chat log + meeting minutes
stpeter at stpeter.im
Tue Aug 24 13:57:39 CDT 2010
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Subject: [Board] chat log + meeting minutes
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 12:57:06 -0600
From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>
Reply-To: XSF Board <board at xmpp.org>
To: XSF Board <board at xmpp.org>
Here is information from today's Board meeting.
Minutes, XSF Board meeting
xsf at muc.xmpp.org
- Jack (missing, presumed busy)
- Flo (missing, presumed drunk)
- Roadmap update
- New Website
- Mini Summits? (London?)
ISOC, NLNet, Cisco?
Need to set priorities first (see below)
Florian has several leads as well
Someone should ask the &yet company (where Fritzy works)
(they "sponsored" the last summit really)
- Roadmap update
Need to discuss with everyone (Board, Council, members, community)
Set broader technical priorities
These can be presented to sponsors, too
- New Website
Documentation being written by Will
Will will ask Kev to push the button
Ask for community / member review
Use tracker.xmpp.org to followup
CommTeam needs to take responsibilities for specific pages
Will to draft message to CommTeam about responsibilities
Blog post to be written by bear
Desirable to get implementation feedback regarding specs
Too few students remain active within the community afterwards
stage.xmpp.org to be the main page of the blog
- Mini Summits? (London?)
- bear will plan one for Philadelphia in October
- Organize a meeting with everyone to set priorities and update roadmap (?)
- Put new website on production (Will/Kev)
- Alex/Peter to discuss timing for Board and Council elections
2010-09-07, same place, same time
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[12:59:41] <Nicolas> hi
[12:59:47] <will.sheward> evening
[13:00:16] <stpeter> greetings
[13:01:44] <stpeter> no sign of Florian
[13:01:49] <stpeter> Jack is "away"
[13:02:16] <will.sheward> lets give them a few minutes
[13:02:25] <stpeter> sure
[13:02:51] <will.sheward> so, how are things peter, not heard from you
in a while?
[13:03:32] <stpeter> busy as always
[13:03:57] <Nicolas> everybody seems busy
[13:04:08] <stpeter> this IESG gig is a lot of work
[13:04:09] <will.sheward> yes, this is good i think?
[13:04:11] <Nicolas> btw, do you see like me a slow in the xsf's activity?
[13:04:26] <will.sheward> nyco: oh yes
[13:04:30] <Tobias> Nicolas: yeah
[13:04:43] <Nicolas> what does it mean? can we do something about it?
[13:04:49] <will.sheward> iesg: i know, we barely see alexey these days
[13:05:38] <will.sheward> well, we are - we're having a meeting ;-)
[13:06:01] <will.sheward> this slowness is partly down to us. we've not
been the most active board have we?
[13:06:13] <will.sheward> busy busy busy - taking up most of our time
[13:06:38] <Nicolas> yes, absolutely, in the absolute, we have not been
[13:06:50] <will.sheward> which is a shame - but unavoidable i think
[13:07:01] <Nicolas> why not?
[13:07:24] <will.sheward> well, i guess we've not been active because
we're all very busy elsewhere?
[13:07:57] <Nicolas> true for me
[13:09:59] <Nicolas> but more generally?
[13:10:10] <stpeter> sorry, got a phone call
[13:10:13] <Nicolas> too few new members at the last membership election
[13:10:19] <Nicolas> np
[13:10:21] <will.sheward> agreed
[13:10:32] <will.sheward> too little publicity to attract new applicants
[13:10:59] <will.sheward> again, this is our responsibility in part
[13:11:36] <will.sheward> i think we got off to a good start but "life"
got in the way
[13:11:56] <will.sheward> I dont think the others are coming?
[13:12:04] <will.sheward> should we/can we start?
[13:12:47] <Nicolas> 2/4, with peter
[13:12:53] <Nicolas> should we?
[13:13:07] <Nicolas> see, even the board seems not very concerned
[13:13:11] <will.sheward> :-(
[13:13:17] <Nicolas> same feeling for me
[13:13:29] <stpeter> almost done with my call
[13:13:33] <will.sheward> Lets start, if were wrong we can pretend this
is a comm team meeting
[13:13:37] <Nicolas> np stpeter
[13:13:48] <Nicolas> ;-)
[13:13:49] <Nicolas> ok
[13:13:49] <will.sheward> wait for peter then
[13:14:01] <Nicolas> http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ
[13:14:06] <will.sheward> i'm there
[13:14:42] <stpeter> I can call Jack
[13:14:47] <Nicolas> who are you, unnamed?
[13:14:47] <stpeter> I'm done with the phone
[13:14:52] <Nicolas> ok, thx
[13:15:31] <Tobias> Nicolas: prob. me#
[13:15:51] <will.sheward> the masked user?
[13:15:55] <will.sheward> Zorro?
[13:16:34] <stpeter> ok
[13:16:38] <stpeter> I called Jack but no answer
[13:16:41] <Nicolas> ok
[13:16:44] <Nicolas> nevermind
[13:16:46] <will.sheward> then lets start
[13:16:52] <Nicolas> do you have Flo's phone number?
[13:16:53] <stpeter> I texted him
[13:16:55] <Nicolas> I can SMS him
[13:16:57] <Nicolas> ok
[13:17:03] <Nicolas> SPONSORS
[13:17:06] <will.sheward> i think we've all texted him
[13:17:09] <stpeter> yep, starting
[13:17:37] <stpeter> so
[13:17:47] <will.sheward> sponsors: peter, did you get any further with
[13:17:49] <stpeter> our current list of sponsors is outdated
[13:17:54] <will.sheward> very outdated
[13:17:56] <stpeter> very outdated
[13:17:59] <stpeter> heh
[13:18:00] <Nicolas> http://stage.xmpp.org/?page_id=258 ?
[13:18:03] <will.sheward> great minds...
[13:18:05] <stpeter> so we might wan to clear it out
[13:18:09] <stpeter> +t
[13:18:28] <stpeter> I recently contacted ISOC, which supports IETF and
recently also W3C
[13:18:32] <will.sheward> we can leave a couple in (secure hosting?)
[13:18:38] <stpeter> and they use XMPP :)
[13:18:44] <stpeter> they are a likely candidate
[13:18:51] <stpeter> I also need to hit up Cisco :)
[13:18:51] <Tobias> w3c uses XMPP?
[13:19:26] <stpeter> but I think the Cisco folks would like to support a
particular project / initiative that we propose (e2e encryption or whatever)
[13:19:56] <will.sheward> re cisco: we can pass that onto wider
membership/council to see if a project is something they want
[13:20:22] <stpeter> yes
[13:20:31] <will.sheward> would be best if a project was technically
aligned with council work/direction
[13:20:47] <will.sheward> wasnt florian contacting some people? guess we
should mail him to find out
[13:20:58] <stpeter> at the IETF meeting in Maastricht I also met one of
the guys from NLNet
[13:21:15] <stpeter> they are interested in XMPP stuff too (Jingle Nodes
[13:21:39] <stpeter> again they'd probably be interested in supporting a
[13:21:51] <Tobias> stpeter: they also had DNSSEC fund which might be
interesting for some XMPP server projects too http://nlnet.nl/dnssec/
[13:21:56] <stpeter> Tobias: yes
[13:22:34] <stpeter> see
[13:22:46] <stpeter> so I think we need to have more discussion among
the community about priorities
[13:22:57] <stpeter> http://xmpp.org/xsf/roadmap.shtml is outdated, too
[13:23:03] <Nicolas> I've tried to inventory all the social networks
using XMPP: maybe these are good candidates as sponsors?
[13:23:03] <stpeter> we'll be done with the RFC revisions soon
[13:23:36] <stpeter> perhaps we need a broader conversation about
priorities and things that we think are important to work on as a community
[13:23:49] <Nicolas> board + coucil + members ?
[13:23:54] <will.sheward> everyone
[13:23:57] <will.sheward> i thin
[13:23:59] <will.sheward> k
[13:23:59] <stpeter> and that will help us ask sponsors if they want to
help with those efforts
[13:24:02] <Nicolas> s/coucil/council/
[13:24:48] <will.sheward> should i just put a holding page here: v ?
[13:24:53] <will.sheward> http://stage.xmpp.org/?page_id=987
[13:25:50] <stpeter> yes
[13:25:55] <will.sheward> noted.
[13:26:09] <stpeter> and we need to move stage to real :)
[13:26:18] <will.sheward> yes, please
[13:26:36] <Nicolas> yep
[13:26:39] <Nicolas> what do you need?
[13:26:45] <will.sheward> i'm currently writing up the documentation on
the site (explaining structure etc)
[13:26:52] <stpeter> I thought that Kev had what he needed for the switch
[13:26:52] <will.sheward> i think we're ready to go
[13:26:59] <will.sheward> kev has the info
[13:27:05] <stpeter> ok
[13:27:14] <will.sheward> i'll aks him to push the button tomorrow
[13:27:21] <Nicolas> ok, cool!
[13:27:22] <stpeter> ok
[13:27:34] <will.sheward> then i can spend a few hours of panic chasing
[13:27:34] <stpeter> if he needs my assistance, we can do this early
[13:27:35] <Nicolas> and let's call for a review by our members?
[13:27:43] <Nicolas> the can report stuff on the tracker?
[13:27:44] <stpeter> Nicolas: yes, once we launch
[13:27:45] <stpeter> yeah
[13:27:46] <stpeter> +1
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[13:28:10] <will.sheward> nyco: yes. We also need to get comm team
members involved and "taking responsibility" for maintaining specific pages
[13:28:23] <Nicolas> ok
[13:28:44] <will.sheward> i'll draft a message for commteam
[13:28:52] <Nicolas> cool, thx
[13:28:53] <stpeter> thanks
[13:29:10] <will.sheward> so - what do i do about the sponsors page?
[13:29:16] <Nicolas> (please review my notes on typewithme)
[13:29:20] <will.sheward> put up a blank page - admit we have no sponsors?
[13:30:03] <stpeter> one more note about sponsors -- Florian said he had
some leads, too -- but I do think that more clearly defining our roadmap
[13:30:35] <stpeter> roadmap and specific initiatives + activities
[13:30:47] <will.sheward> yes - i think sponsors will be more likely to
get involved with specific direction
[13:31:19] <Nicolas> sponsorship from Microsoft, AOL, Skype, etc. ?
[13:31:29] <will.sheward> hehe
[13:32:03] <stpeter> ok, what other topics do we have on our agenda?
[13:32:09] <will.sheward> gsoc
[13:32:13] <Nicolas> well, MS is doing a Facebook-chat-aware client
[13:32:23] <stpeter> interesting
[13:32:52] <stpeter> I had some conversations recently with some guys
who work on the XMPP gateway from Microsoft OCS
[13:33:10] <will.sheward> yes
[13:33:34] <Nicolas> MS as a sponsor, it's not a joke! ;-)
[13:33:41] <Nicolas> so GSoC
[13:33:41] <stpeter> haha
[13:33:44] <stpeter> yes
[13:33:58] <stpeter> I think bear and Kev can tell us the most about GSoc
[13:34:01] <Nicolas> where are we? a blogpost needs to be written?
[13:34:16] <bear> I am working on a "ok, all done" blog post
[13:34:22] <Nicolas> ah cool
[13:34:25] <stpeter> ah
[13:34:30] <bear> I need to poke 2 of the students to finish their final
[13:34:31] <stpeter> bear: disregard PM :)
[13:34:37] <bear> :)
[13:34:38] <will.sheward> reminds me - need to talk about blog
[13:34:46] <Nicolas> yes?
[13:35:03] <bear> so yes, final report will be blogged in probably about
[13:35:11] <will.sheward> is the blog still blog.xmpp.org
<http://blog.xmpp.org>; - or is it now the main page of stage.xmpp.org
[13:35:16] <will.sheward> or both?
[13:35:21] <stpeter> I'm also hoping that we will get more
implementation feedback from the students regarding the specs they
implemented -- we might want to make that a condition of participation /
part of the final report in future years :)
[13:35:29] <bear> the gsoc was uneventful for 3 of the 4 and even the
4th was normal, he just didn't plan properly
[13:35:32] <stpeter> will.sheward: it should be the main page
[13:35:36] <Nicolas> will.sheward, afaiac, I don't care
[13:35:47] <stpeter> and then we deprecate the blog
[13:35:54] <bear> two of the students are probably going to be very
involved but I think the other 2 will not
[13:35:54] <stpeter> I mean, deprecate blog.xmpp.org
[13:35:57] <will.sheward> ok - will add this to list of things to talk
to kev about
[13:36:03] <stpeter> bear: sounds about right
[13:36:13] <Tobias> stpeter: i'll post some feedback the next time; i've
already marked a couple thinks in my printed 198 version, just need to
[13:36:23] <Nicolas> stpeter, deprecate yes, but by keepign the link
alive for redirection
[13:36:25] <stpeter> bear: of all the students we've had over the years,
few have really stayed involved -- Tobias is a big exception
[13:36:27] <Tobias> s/next time/during the next days
[13:36:29] <stpeter> Nicolas: yes
[13:37:00] <Tobias> stpeter: however i've been already involved before
my first GSoC if i remember correctly
[13:37:08] <bear> :)
[13:37:22] <stpeter> yes, true
[13:37:42] <bear> I won't be able to attend the gsoc event coming up -
do we want to send someone else?
[13:37:59] <stpeter> I've never attended one of those
[13:38:07] <stpeter> I've heard they are fun, but I've never had time
[13:38:08] <bear> then let's not break the pattern
[13:38:11] <will.sheward> bear: i've upgraded you to 'author' on
stage.xmpp - for the gsoc post
[13:38:11] <stpeter> heh
[13:38:12] <stpeter> yeah
[13:38:22] <bear> cool
[13:38:25] <bear> thanks will
[13:39:41] <Nicolas> anything else about gsoc?
[13:39:51] <stpeter> not that I can see
[13:40:00] <bear> nothing eventful if you mean
[13:40:02] <stpeter> at some point they'll send us some money, I suppose
[13:40:09] <will.sheward> money money money
[13:40:12] <Nicolas> last item: mini summits
[13:40:13] <will.sheward> like
[13:40:18] <Nicolas> ;-)
[13:40:32] <bear> yea, was going to ask you about that - if any money
had been received yet
[13:40:42] <will.sheward> ok - who suggested mini-summits?
[13:40:43] <stpeter> usually it's delayed a while
[13:40:49] <Nicolas> I don't know
[13:40:49] <bear> k
[13:41:11] <stpeter> bear: I'm sure there will be a post about it to the
org / mentor list at some point
[13:41:18] <bear> k
[13:41:30] <will.sheward> yeah bear: just don't run off with the money :-)
[13:41:34] <stpeter> probably Florian added the item about mini-summits,
given that London is mentioned
[13:41:38] <bear> mini summits - like east coast, west coast, different
[13:41:40] <Nicolas> so we're touching the end of the meeting? please
review the notes, and report action items
[13:41:57] <bear> will - don't look at me - it's being mailed to psa's
desk IIRC ;)
[13:42:11] <stpeter> yes, they'll send it to my work address, I think
[13:42:26] <stpeter> I'm all in favor of formal and informal meetings
[13:42:34] <will.sheward> ah ha - peter's extravagant lifestyle explained
[13:42:40] *bear laughs
[13:42:44] <Nicolas> ;-)
[13:42:57] <will.sheward> informal local meetings are good - seem to
have been a lull in them recently?
[13:42:58] <stpeter> yes indeed :)
[13:43:12] <stpeter> lots of lulls recently
[13:43:24] <will.sheward> yeah :-(
[13:43:26] <bear> it's been that kind of year - everything has slowed down
[13:43:26] <Nicolas> please review, fix, enhance, beautify
[13:43:28] <will.sheward> bad us
[13:44:03] <will.sheward> ok
[13:44:39] *stpeter laughs at http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ regarding
[13:44:55] <bear> yea, he probably his given he is on holiday
[13:45:12] <Nicolas> next meeting: tuesday, 7th of September?
[13:45:13] <stpeter> bear: indeed
[13:45:24] <stpeter> Nicolas: that works for me
[13:45:32] <will.sheward> works for me
[13:45:41] <bear> i'm planning with a local philly person a xmpp meetup
[13:45:42] <stpeter> another item is that Alex and I need to talk about
timing for Board and Council elections
[13:45:44] <will.sheward> same bat time, same bat place?
[13:45:53] <bear> we can make that intoa mini-summit if that is ok
[13:46:01] <stpeter> bear: sure!
[13:46:30] <Nicolas> ok then
[13:46:32] <Nicolas> I need to go
[13:46:35] <Nicolas> thx everybody
[13:46:36] <stpeter> ok
[13:46:37] <will.sheward> ok
[13:46:39] *stpeter updates http://typewith.me/wMQa8S0yEJ
[13:46:40] <Nicolas> bye
[13:46:43] <will.sheward> bye
[13:46:45] <bear> later
[13:49:41] <bear> I placed a note about a sponsor possible in the doc -
feel free to remove my parenthetical comment after reading it
[13:49:58] <will.sheward> ah - that's you
[13:50:52] *bear stops hacking the minutes page :)
[13:51:25] *** bear shows as "away" and his status message is "Away"
[13:51:32] <will.sheward> ok - i'm done for tonight. i have a few tasks
from this so i'll get on with those tomorrow.
[13:51:37] <stpeter> ok
[13:51:43] *** Nicolas shows as "away" and his status message is "
(Absent(e) car inactif depuis plus de 5 min)"
[13:51:46] <will.sheward> 'see' you all later
[13:51:53] *bear also flees
[13:52:06] <stpeter> ok
[13:52:22] <stpeter> so I can send the chatroom log and the minutes text
to the board list
[13:52:49] <will.sheward> stper: i've just added an action item for you
[13:52:55] <stpeter> ok
[13:53:09] <stpeter> yep
[13:53:30] <stpeter> I'll ping Alex about that but won't take action
until Monday, since I'm supposed to be on vacation this week :)
[13:53:47] <will.sheward> staycayion or going away?
[13:53:52] <will.sheward> staycation
[13:54:12] <stpeter> going away tomorrow for a few days
[13:54:16] <stpeter> but mostly staycation
[13:54:25] <will.sheward> well, hope you have fun. bye for now
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