[Members] XSF roadmap

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Tue Feb 22 18:04:39 CST 2011

Catching up on another old old discussion thread.

I've updated the roadmap page here:


Feedback is welcome.


On 10/29/10 10:21 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> I'm sorry that I posted this kickoff message and then disappeared!
> However, the discussion was excellent.
> Here is my summary. (These points are not in priority order.)
> a. Of course we need to finish revising the core specs. As you've
> noticed if you're on the XMPP WG discussion list, we're not done yet.
> I'm now in the middle of processing feedback from the IETF Security
> Directorate (fun!). We might also receive feedback from the "General
> Area Review Team". On November 8th I will post updated versions of the
> three base specs. On December 2 the IESG is tentatively scheduled to
> discuss these specs in its fortnightly telechat (and yes, we do have a
> MUC room for the IESG!). That might result in further modifications. But
> we are indeed making progress here. Oh, and thanks to the XSF members
> who provided feedback in the XMPP WG, especially Kevin, Matthew, Dave,
> Waqas, Jehan, Justin, and Florian Zeitz. Much appreciated!
> b. Folks here think end-to-end encryption is interesting and important,
> but it's a long-term project. We need to keep plugging away (within the
> XMPP WG) but it might take a while. BTW, I have contacted some of the
> developers of off-the-record messaging (OTR) and it's possible I might
> work with them to standardize their work at the IETF. But that is quite
> preliminary.
> c. File transfer matters! I agree that we need to get this done. I
> propose that we make this one of the main priorities for interop testing
> at the XMPP Summit in Brussels next year. We also have some spec updates
> to make, based on implementation feedback and a review by the Tech
> Review Team. I've let this fall on the floor because of IETF work, but
> I'll have much more time for this and other XEP efforts once the new
> RFCs are published.
> d. Microblogging, social networking, PEP. I agree this can be a big
> focus for us. We need more PEP deployment, someone to take over the
> microblogging spec work (XEP-0270) and coordinate with StatusNet folks,
> etc. Perhaps we can hold a joint session with the microblogging people
> at FOSDEM?
> e. Security work / anti-spam / anti-abuse. Jehan pointed out that this
> too is a long-term project. It's a never-ending arms race! But Dave
> suggested that we need a better taxonomy of abusive behavior, and Nÿco
> provided a brief summary. Perhaps we could expand that just a bit so
> that we have a better idea of what we're trying to combat.
> f. Whiteboarding / collaborative editing. I think we have a pretty solid
> basis here with SXE (XEP-0284), at least for small-scale environments,
> but the spec needs a bit of attention and more implementations.
> g. I'm surprised that nobody mentioned improvements for mobility and
> reliability. I think it would be really valuable to complete some
> interop testing in Brussels for roster versioning (XEP-0237, now in
> rfc3921bis), stream management (XEP-0198), and perhaps also SIFT (XEP-0273).
> h. MUC. XEP-0045 needs a thorough review, just as we did for PubSub last
> year. I completed a review while flying to Brussels last year and still
> haven't keyed in all the changes. :( But I'll have time to work on this
> again after the RFCs are done. Another topic here is distributed or
> federated MUC. We now have three proposals on that topic, and I would
> love to settle on one approach in 2011.
> Well those are 8 different initiatives. Plenty to keep us busy! :)
> Further thoughts? What did I leave out?
> Peter
> On 9/7/10 1:09 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/xsf/xsf-roadmap/ provides a roadmap of
>> technical topics the XSF wants to work on. That list is currently:
>> 1. Finish revisions to RFCs 3920 and 3921
>> 2. Define an end-to-end encryption technology for XMPP
>> 3. Improve XMPP file transfer by transitioning to Jingle
>> 4. Improve resistance to spam, phishing, abuse, and DoS attacks
>> Here is my take on those:
>> Task #1 is almost done.
>> Task #2 is a longer-term project that folks will be working on in the
>> XMPP WG (perhaps it doesn't even belong on the *XSF* roadmap, but I
>> think it's helpful to list it). Now that #1 is done, I think we'll start
>> to get serious about #2.
>> Task #3 is also fairly far along -- we have implementation feedback that
>> needs to be incorporated into the specs. Feel free to help out with that
>> work.
>> Task #4 is a good idea (see XEP-0268) but we don't have a lot of
>> traction for it yet because we still don't see a lot of attacks on the
>> network. Perhaps we need to push on this more forcefully.
>> With the imminent completion of the RFC revisions, it's a good time to
>> discuss other roadmap items. What do we need to be working on? What
>> problems do we need to solve? I think it would be great for the XSF
>> membership to discuss priorities so that we can come up with a good
>> bundle of roadmap items for the next 12+ months, so please post to this
>> list or edit this wiki page:
>> http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Roadmap
>> Thanks!
>> Peter

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