[Members] Google and XMPP federation

Florian Zeitz florob at babelmonkeys.de
Fri May 24 14:06:29 UTC 2013

Am 24.05.2013 11:27, schrieb Simon Tennant:
> We're sitting here at buddycloud towers having a conversation trying to
> understand Google's federation statements.
> We also did some tests - 
> - gtalk user to gtalk user works
> - gtalk user to google hosted domain user works
> - gtalk user to self-hosted XMPP server user works
> - self hosted XMPP server to gtalk user works
> What didn't work was using the hangout app to chat to XMPP users. 
> Third party clients do work.
> I'm really curious to understand what si going on here without getting
> into the rights and wrongs of who should be doing what.
> Is it a case of "hangouts are not federated but chat still is"? 
> If federation is being disabled for chat, can anyone point to a timeline?

As can now be read at multiple place across the internet, Hangouts will
replace Google Talk. The most official-ish (i.e. not spread through a
news site, but on their own servers) announcement by Google I've found
about this is at <https://developers.google.com/talk/>:
  "We announced a new communications product, Hangouts, in May 2013.
  Hangouts will replace Google Talk and does not support XMPP. The
  information in this Developer's Guide pertains only to Google Talk."

>From what I understand Hangouts will not be federated at all. So as soon
as Google Talk is shut down (there is no announcement of when this might
happen that I know of) Google will no longer be part of the federated
XMPP network.
This is admittedly all a bit wibbly wobbly, since Hangouts and Google
Talk do apparently share infrastructure, or at least presence
information right now.

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