[Members] Google and XMPP federation

Emil Ivov emcho at jitsi.org
Sun May 26 19:01:17 UTC 2013

Hey Simon,

On 26.05.13, 21:42, Simon Tennant wrote:
> Easy Gentlemen.
> @dave: you do realise that hangouts are inherently multiuser chats
> with file sharing and message history?
> How exactly do you propose that Google should have built hangouts?
> Please don't suggest MUC: this has to work on mobile too.

I don't believe the gist of the criticism here is about the way Hangouts
were designed (although many of us would have something to say about
that too).

The problem are really the claims that Google seem to be making, that
kind of say: "We'll stop XMPP federation and 3d party clients, because
the technology is not working for us any more".

The very interesting (and most puzzling) part here is that, as your own
tests have shown, it actually does work currently.


> S.
> On 26 May 2013 19:12, Ralph Meijer <ralphm at ik.nu <mailto:ralphm at ik.nu>>
> wrote:
>     Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net <mailto:dave at cridland.net>> wrote:
>     >Sorry for the top posting, on the phone, but I do think we should be
>     >putting together a detailed rebuttal on technical grounds.
>     >
>     >If Google wishes to create a walled garden for business reasons,
>     >they're
>     >free to do that, despite my strong feelings that this is not the best
>     >solution for their users. Their shareholders are their primary concern,
>     >I
>     >do appreciate this.
>     >
>     >I do however see no possible excuse for their constant misinformation
>     >about
>     >XMPP, and their attempts to justify a business decision on false
>     >technical
>     >grounds, at our expense as an organisation and individually, must be
>     >challenged.
>     This!
>     >I'm happy to devote some time to this rebuttal.
>     As am I. Also, feel free to use any of the text I wrote about this
>     since last week.
>     --
>     ralphm
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