[Members] XEP-0001: Remove impossible guarantee from XSF Objectives

Matthew Wild mwild1 at gmail.com
Tue Jan 14 12:58:35 UTC 2020

On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 10:48, Ralph Meijer <ralphm at ik.nu> wrote:
> On 14-01-2020 11:19, Dave Cridland wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Jan 2020 at 00:13, Travis Burtrum <travis at burtrum.org> wrote:
>> Basically the XSF being an organization that crosses all jurisdictions,
>> this simply isn't possible.  As far as I know we have no members
>> qualified to give legal opinions, and thus shouldn't even try.  Whether
>> a given person/business/entity can implement a XEP in their jurisdiction
>> can only be decided by them and their lawyers.
> This is a bad idea. It will not benefit us as a community. It will not benefit us individually.

I disagree that this proposal cannot be discussed in isolation from
the incredible drama surrounding it the past week or two. If anything,
it helps immensely to focus on small tangible changes and whether we
want to make them or not. At a high level it's clear there is
significant disagreement, but both sides have argued the merits of
their perspective relentlessly for quite a while now. I don't see
either side backing down and saying "You're right, we were wrong" at
this point.

With that said, I'll therefore offer my thoughts on just the proposed change.

I agree that we can provide no such guarantee - we would need a legal
team and perform extensive research for every XEP we publish. Even
then I don't think an absolute guarantee could be provided.

However I also don't believe that we should publish protocols where we
know there to be actual IP claims. I work on XMPP because I believe in
having an open interoperable protocol for internet messaging. I don't
want to have third-parties controlling who does and does not get to
implement it.

I agree with Peter's proposal or similar wording that establishes that
we will not publish standards with known IP claims. As raised by this
proposal, I worry that the current wording may indeed misrepresent the
amount of effort we currently put into researching IP issues when
publishing XEPs. If anything I'd also like to add a disclaimer if we
don't have such already. "We tried, but don't blame us if we missed


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