[standards-jig] LAST CALL: Service Discovery (JEP-0030)

Matthew A. Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.no-ip.com
Tue Dec 3 16:53:06 UTC 2002

On first read, this sounds similar to "POP3 Handling of Offline
Messages" (aka JEP-0013)[1].  In any case, it's not something that disco
need do itself, but that another extension protocol (disco-able, of
course!) could handle, on top of disco (e.g. disco provides the
hierarchy, and this extension provides semantics for content retrieval).

[1] http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0013.html

On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 18:22, Jeremy Nickurak wrote:
> I know it's kind of late for such a feature, but I'd like to hear if
> anybody thinks this would be appropriate.
> Some time ago I had a discussion with several people on jdev at c.j.o over
> the idea of browsing newsgroups, mailing lists, imap mailboxes, etc,
> over jabber. It occurs to me that each of these has the potential for a
> hierachical organization of items. In particular, jids, perhaps in the
> form mail.jabber.org/lists/standards-jig can easilly represent
> folders/lists/groups. This could relatively easilly fit into the disco
> proposal.
> What would become more difficult, as I see it, would be the actual
> content, in particular, messages, since they don't have an obvious JID
> scheme. Such a scheme could be invented, against the packet id's, or
> something similar.
> Does anyone have any opinions on whether or not the storage of things
> like message packets could be fit into the disco scheme without too much
> trouble? At first glance, i'd suggest that other top-level stream
> elements (like presence) might not be appropriate, however doing so
> could allow things like complete mu-conference logs. The creation of a
> standard means of displaying such archives/lists and the relevant
> content would also be useful because it could allow clients that don't
> yet have it to kill two birds with one stone: writing code to browse
> their own logs as well as conferences, mailboxes, etc.
> Admitidly, this is well outside the scope of "Service Discovery" (at
> least as far as it's name is concerned), but nonetheless it seems to
> hold potential as an ideal delivery architecture for such archives of
> elements, without receiving the entire mass of complete messages with
> body. In addition, I think the ability of disco to be adapted to things
> like email, newsgroup, and mailing-list reading in the very near future
> with a relatively simple set of components would be a major incentive
> for client writers to support what has occasionally been called "just
> another iq:browse".
> Direct flames/insults to me. Anything more positive, please share on
> standards-jig :)

Matt "linuxwolf" Miller
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