[standards-jig] Genicons/Emoticons

Ben Schumacher ben at blahr.com
Wed Jul 17 21:25:03 UTC 2002


Steve-

Actually, the JEP allows for multiple alternates. If you read the schema
in the JEP, you'll see the following:

   <!-- "alt" is for secondary, alternative text
strings that can create the icon. They are not
used by the GUI to create outgoing icons. -->
   <xs:element name="alt" type="xs:string"
minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded">
    <xs:complexType>
    <!-- "language" uses ISO 639-2 three letter
language codes for keywords. This attribute is not
needed for ASCII Art or other inherently
international text string. -->
    <xs:attribute name="language" type="xs:string"/>
    </xs:complexType>
   </xs:element>

Specifically, notice that maxOccurs is unbounded which indicates that
multiple alternates can be specified. Perhaps the JEP should be updated to
indicate in an example that this is possible?

Cheers,

bs.

On Wed, 17 Jul 2002, Stephen Lee wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Unless I mis-read the jep, what you are saying is there are only a
> Maximum of 2 Icon text's ? One is text the other is alt? In the next rev
> of myJabber due out early next week we use one comma separated tag ,
> then any number can be added. We also have things that effect the way
> they are used in the client. So I'm not sure this could be used by us
> without losing some functionality.
>
> I guess my question is , is this really a standards issue or a help doc
> on how to write a client?
>
> I followed this thread earlier on before you started making sense of it
> Adam :-) and I'm not sure if you will get all client developers to agree
> on this. What do some of the other client developers think??
>
> Steve
>
> myJabber - Lead Developer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: standards-jig-admin at jabber.org
> [mailto:standards-jig-admin at jabber.org] On Behalf Of Adam Theo
> Sent: July 17, 2002 3:38 PM
> To: standards-jig at jabber.org
> Subject: [standards-jig] Genicons/Emoticons
>
>
> Hello, everyone.
>
> Saint Peter has graciously edited and posted my Genicons/Emoticons work
> into a JEP. I am now seeking feedback on the matter to try and get it
> through the Council and out of my head. I don't like the topic of
> Emoticons, but I realize they are a major issue with newbie IM users, so
>
> I went ahead and did it since it seemed it wasn't about to be "done
> right", IMO.
>
> Genicons is the term I'm coining for the broader family of icons and
> pictures. It includes ASCII Art, emoticons, graphical icons of roses and
>
> hearts, etc. This JEP covers and assumes only graphical icons like what
> are popular in Yahoo and MSN IM clients.
>
> In short, my specification, JEP 0038
> [http://www.jabber.org/jeps/jep-0038.html], allows Jabber IM users to
> create and define their own "genicons", package them into "icon styles",
>
> and distribute and share these styles among friends or whoever else,
> just like skins or themes for other customizable applications. Any
> client that supports this packaging and definition format can
> automatically allow users to apply existing styles, no matter the
> platform the client is on.
>
> These icons would simply be defined relationships between graphic and
> sound files, and text strings that would be recognized by clients to
> "create" those graphic or sound files. At no point are the graphics or
> sounds transferred in-band or along with Jabber. External data is not
> used to recognize or create the icons.
>
> This is a major boost over competing IM systems, one of the few end-user
>
> areas where Jabber can come out on top. Allowing users to create and
> trade skins is a very attractive feature for many end-users, and one of
> those little features that could go a long way to make Jabber look even
> cooler than the competition.
>
> Are there any thoughts or problems with this JEP so far? Feel free to
> critique it as much as you want, I want to get it finalized ASAP.
>
> I understand that the rival convention of using XHTML or Jabber's X-tags
>
> in-line with messages to signify the icons is still being discussed in
> the background. Perhaps the people interested in such a convention could
>
> get with me and we could help each other out. I seriously doubt I could
> bring my convention to use XHTML or X-tags, but I would like to help put
>
> the ideas together so the two of them could go before the Jabber Council
>
> at the same time.
>
> Thanks, all :)
>
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