[standards-jig] Version 0.6 of JEP-0045 (Multi-User Chat)

David Sutton jabber at dsutton.legend.uk.com
Sun Sep 22 15:04:48 UTC 2002


  I get an idea of what you are trying to achieve, but in some respects
  I feel its beyond the realms of this jep. One of the core aims is to
  ensure compatibility with the existing GroupChat v1 code. What you are
  proposing, although an interesting concept, would be hard to keep that
  goal with. My attitude has been 'fix what we have now, and then once
  we're stable, we can create new, advanced conferencing protocols safe
  in the knowledge that what we have works now' and I still believe that

  In the end, it is up to Peter Saint-Andre, but thats my feelings on
  the matter :)



On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:44:01AM +0200, Pasi Pärnänen wrote:
> David Sutton (in response to Peter Saint-Andre):
> > Ok, regarding roles - does admin imply voice, or should two roles 
> > elements be given, one for admin and one for voice? Actually, in the 
> > examples, you have voice as a seperate element - should it not be a 
> > role?
> In the talks in the jabber room the method was to compare the collection
> of rooms with a folder hierarchy.
> Thus... 
> Each room (or "place") would have:
> owner - admin - participant
> access - voice - create
> savcavcavc
> ...compared to:
> user - group - other
> read - write - execute
> lrwxrwxrwx
> Example actions:
> kick:
> Temporary remove access to place and send to parent place.
> block:
> Remove access to place and send to parent place.
> ban: 
> Remove access to all conference places and terminate session.
> mute:
> Remove voice.
> speak: (a better word must exist)
> Remove voice from all participants in the room except one.
> (useful for moderated places)
> hush:
> Remove voice from all participants.
> promote: 
> Make the participant an admin in this place (and in subsequent places).
> degrade: 
> Make the admin a participant in this place.
> (only available to owner of root place)
> dub:
> Make the participant an admin of the entire conference.
> (only available to owner of root place)
> deface:
> Remove all admin rights for user. (all rooms in conference)
> (only available to owner of root place)
> etc...
> The create right would give the owners, admins and in some places even
> the participants the right to create new places, a bit like folders
> within folders.
> The browse places could then be used in a manner similar to looking at a
> file system tree, maybe even with the number of users in each place
> visible.
> In *nix, everything is a file, and our idea was that in the conference,
> everything would be a place. With the idea of having a "tree of rooms"
> we could even have quick shortcuts between places within the conference,
> if we want to. 
> parent:
> pavcav-a--	stpeter gods 	12 	throneroom
> shortcut:
> savcav-a--	stpeter gods 		audiences -> ../../throneroom
> place:
> -avcav-av-	da_king guards 	 3	oubliette
> The "tree of places" would be fairly easy to understand for newcomers
> too, we think. 
> -- Pasi "BlackDog" Parnanen
> -- If there is blame then cast it upon me and not upon the innocent. 
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David Sutton
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