[standards-jig] JEP-0060 PubSub: Is Subscriber an "affiliation"?

Bob Wyman bob at wyman.us
Fri Feb 14 23:23:49 UTC 2003

Matt Mankins wrote:
> So you can be a subscriber AND an owner, 
> or an owner and not a subscriber.
	If you can be an owner but not a subscriber, then I think the
Affiliations chart should probably be edited to indicate that owners
don't have "unsubscribe" privileges. The same edit should be applied to
the publisher row if, in fact, you can be a publisher without being a
subscriber. As I understand it, the ability or privilege to
"unsubscribe" is something that comes as a side effect of being a
subscriber. It is not something that is inherent to being either an
owner or a publisher.
	If the conflict you identify is the reason for the fact that
subscriber is not a recognized affiliation, I would like to re-assert my
request for more granularity in the handling of rights. See: 
	It is very confusing to have the affiliation chart which appears
to be a summary of all the various sets of rights that can be made, yet
it makes no mention of the distinct set of rights (i.e. "unsubscribe"
only) that are held by subscribers.

		bob wyman

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When I was going through this I too thought that subscriber should be
part of the affiliation.  I think the explaination was that subscriber
and affiliation are on different axes.  So you can be a subscriber AND
an owner, or an owner and not a subscriber.  It is confusing however,
and maybe the terminology needs tweaking.

Affiliation could be Node Rights?


On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Bob Wyman wrote:

> I suspect that I may be missing something in the terminology. It 
> appears quite clear to me that there is an "affiliation" which should 
> be called "Subscriber" since a subscriber has rights that are distinct

> from those of owners, publishers, none, or outcasts. However, 
> subscribers are never described as "affiliates" in JEP-0060. Is this a

> problem with the drafting, or, am I missing the logic behind why a 
> subscriber is not an affiliate?
>         bob wyman

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