[standards-jig] informational vs. standards-track
dizzyd at jabber.org
Tue Jul 29 23:43:45 UTC 2003
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On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 16:56 America/Denver, Matt Tucker wrote:
> I definitely agree that having different classification of JEP's makes
> sense. There are "core" JEP's and then other JEP's that only a small
> subset of users might care about. However, I think the notion of an
> "informational" JEP is totally bogus. It basically gives someone the
> ability to create a de-facto standard without any sort of real review
> process by the JSF membership. This is obvious from the recent
> discussions to change an informational JEP for software version. If
> you can do that, what's the point of the whole JEP process?
People can create "de-facto standards" without ever drafting a JEP,
Matt. When the JSF was founded, the point of the "Informational" JEP
was to provide a mechanism for people to document non-core protocols so
that other users in the community could build on existing work.
Selection of any given protocol as a standard is still left up to the
implementers -- those who choose to implement the JEP. A
standards-track JEP does not a standard make.
What power does the JSF "membership" (such that it is) really _have_?!
None. The Council holds final power over a protocol's "approval" -- but
even that doesn't mean much. I view Peter's post as a question which
drives at the very heart of the value of the JSF membership. Are we
here to act as a Community that encourages and builds and collaborates
(i.e. running code and rough consensus!), or are we here to be a
standards-body that gets into analysis paralysis?
I don't know the answers, but I do know we need to ask the questions. I
also believe that we must reduce the amount of process, not increase
it. We must get back to our roots of moving forward, and away from
these long-winded, often circular, protocol discussions.
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