[standards-jig] Comments on JEP-85: Chat State Notifications

Dave Smith dizzyd at jabber.org
Thu Jun 5 22:59:21 UTC 2003

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Perhaps you can elaborate a bit on what you would cleanup and how?



On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 10:10 America/Denver, Julian Missig wrote:

> On Thursday, Jun 5, 2003, at 10:52 US/Eastern, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Greetings,
>> Are there any outstanding concerns/complaints about JEP-85? I'd like 
>> to start building consensus around it so we can get the Council to 
>> ratify it.
>> Thanks.
>> Diz
> I don't want to be rude or anything, but...
> I'm still pretty unconvinced that message events need to be replaced 
> to begin with. I can see getting rid of having the x:event be in 
> messages that are sent and relying on browse/disco to detect that 
> feature.
> I also don't generally see cases where we want to tell people to 
> temporarily stop sending composing events where it's really worth the 
> added protocol complexity.
> Basically, I'm pretty happy with the message events we have now. I 
> could see making a few changes and such to simplify and remove extra 
> cruft we don't need in the age of Disco, but I really don't want to 
> have to implement both message events and chat state notifications, 
> which means that chat state notifications would probably have to 
> replace message events. We already have tons of clients, transports, 
> etc. implementing message events--I think it would be more beneficial 
> just to clean them up than to create a whole new thing.
> Julian
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