[standards-jig] IBB Again

David 'TheRaven' Chisnall theraven at sucs.org
Mon May 5 18:31:07 UTC 2003

Ooops.  Pressed Send instead of enter.  Brain asleep.

The final thing I was going to mention was multicasting.  IPv6 includes 
support for multicasting, and v4 has it tacked on as a hideously 
deformed mutant offspring.  Is it possible to address a message to 
multiple JIDs to simulate this?

David 'TheRaven' Chisnall wrote:

> So, to summarise:
> Jabber is not the mechanism for delivering every type of data.
> People will actually need to use other protocols at some point.
> The protocols fall into two categories:
> - Those requiring reliable TCP style delivery, such as file transfers.
> - Those requiring speed and simplicity, but not reliability, such as 
> UDP / RTP based things such as video conferencing.
> The people on each end of these connections will be Jabber users, and 
> Jabber should be able to set up the connections using some kind of magic.
> Some of these people will be hidden behind firewalls, and so will not 
> be able to initiaite, or receive connections.
> If both parties are in such a possition then a fall-back would be nice 
> which routed the stream through Jabber.
> Therefore what is needed is a way to:
> Specify the type of connection required (Reliable / Unreliable, Stream 
> / Packet based).  Specify the connection abilities of the client (can 
> make connections, can receive connections on specific port, can do 
> neither).
> If one party can make a connection and the other can receive, then we 
> are all happy, and can let them get on with it.
> If neither can, then we need to try to tunnel the transmission.  This 
> can be done by each client opening a local socket and instructing the 
> external program to connect locally, while data is transmitted over 
> the Jabber network.
> Some issues with tunnelling:
> Bandwidth is expensive, and sending lots of binary data is going to 
> break the server.
> Karma should limit this, and hopefully TCP's rate limiting algorithm 
> will adjust to compensate for this.  UDP messages can just be dropped 
> by the server.

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