[Standards-JIG] Relation of JEP-0080: User Geolocationandietf-geopriv?

Joe Hildebrand hildjj at gmail.com
Tue Jul 6 19:10:28 UTC 2004


Yes, stpeter and I know Jon Peterson from the IETF.  The geopriv ship
has probably *thoroughly* sailed, though, so I doubt anything we bring
up at this point will carry any weight.


On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 17:56:33 +0200, Heiner Wolf <wolf at bluehands.de> wrote:
> > First of all, RFC stands for Request for Comments.
> 
> Yes. They say: "Please send any comments to the iesg at ietf.org or
> ietf at ietf.org mailing lists by 2004-07-16". So I assume it is a request
> for comments. It is no RFC, which means it does not have an IETF RFC
> number.
> 
> > Second, I don't agree with that we have to follow IETF per se.
> 
> Yes. Lets tell them that we don't follow and lets propose something
> else. The authors of JEP-0080 probably know the author of
> draft-ietf-geopriv-pidf-lo-02.txt. Because I think they have the biggest
> authority in this issue I would like to ask, what chance they see to
> discuss this from author to autor? I write my comment to the list, but
> my position is weaker.
> 
> hw
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org
> > [mailto:standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org]On Behalf Of Ralph Meijer
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 1:45 PM
> > To: Jabber protocol discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [Standards-JIG] Relation of JEP-0080: User
> > Geolocationandietf-geopriv?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 12:33:01PM +0200, Heiner Wolf wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > yes, I don't like it either.
> > >
> > > Section 2.2.1 says something about "coordinate reference
> > systems" and
> > > that from GML 3.0 the "'feature.xsd' GML schema is REQUIRED". This
> > > sounds more like longitude/latitude. But I admit I don't
> > understand the
> > > feature.xsd (attached). It seems to be so general that I
> > can not find
> > > the longitude/latitude aspect.
> >
> > I have glanced the GML specification. It is awfully large, and I think
> > way to complex for what JEP-0080 and JEP-0112 are aimed at.
> > If you really
> > wanted, you could transform one in the other using XSLT or something.
> >
> > > I don't get the "coordinate reference systems" part. I
> > don't like it. On
> > > the other hand, it's not a good idea for an IETF approved
> > IM protocol to
> > > NOT follow the IETF in pidf-related things. Since Jabber is a strong
> > > community, maybe it's the time to tell the author (or the
> > IESG) that the
> > > draft is not good and even not compatible with JEP-0080.
> > After all its a
> > > request for comments, not yet an RFC.
> >
> > First of all, RFC stands for Request for Comments. Second, I
> > don't agree with
> > you that we have to follow IETF per se. JEPs are not
> > affiliated with the IETF
> > (we do Jabber, they do XMPP). We have our own goals, and many
> > times the stuff
> > already there is either too complex or doesn't meet the
> > goals. Of course
> > we /can/ learn from these other specifications, and possibly
> > provide mappings
> > between our stuff and the stuff out there (e.g. JEP-0107,
> > User Mood, provides
> > a mapping between the JEP and how moods are handled in
> > Wireless Village).
> >
> > Note that this approach doesn't mean that you can't use GML in Jabber
> > applications. If you need the more complex stuff, go for it.
> > It is still XML
> > and you can fit it right in some stanza.
> >
> > Cost vs. Benefit
> >
> > --
> > Groetjes,
> >
> > Ralphm
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