[Standards-JIG] avatars

Thomas Muldowney temas at box5.net
Sun Jun 27 16:01:35 UTC 2004


Just a note that I have these comments and will post some comments 
tomorrow.  Dunno if it was clear but the avatar wiki notes are intended 
to fix/replace 84, so they are one in the same, in essence.

--temas


On Jun 27, 2004, at 9:22 AM, Heiner Wolf wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is anyone interested in avatars anyhow?
> Is anyone working with avatars?
> Did anyone work with avatars in the past?
>
> In addition to JEP-0084: (User Avatars in Jabber) and the "Avatars" 
> wiki (http://www.jabber.org/wiki/index.php/Avatars) I would like to 
> see a design that allows for:
>
> 1. in-band data
> 2. plain and base62 encoding of in-band data
> 3. OOB URLs leading to the data
> 4. file-transfer
> 5. disco and pubsub
> 6. sipub
>
> Most features are probably desirable for other data than avatars. So 
> maybe 1.-6. should be described as extensions to pubsub, not as 
> features of an avatar protocol. If 1.-6. would be retrieval options 
> for pubsub-ed data in general, then the avatar spec would not define 
> protocol elements, just the avatar namespace, mime types and image 
> sizes.
>
> There will be other data that is pubsub-ed and file-transferred or 
> oob-ed because of karma problems!
>
> hw
> --
> Dr. Klaus H. Wolf
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>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org
>> [mailto:standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org]On Behalf Of Heiner Wolf
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:36 AM
>> To: Jabber protocol discussion list
>> Subject: RE: [Standards-JIG] avatars
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to keep the possibility to send inline data.
>> There is a serious karma problem with images. But there might
>> be cases where the avatar data is not that large. I am
>> talking about cases where the avatar is not as large as an
>> image file. I only want to point out that avatars are not
>> always images. So, karma is not always a problem when
>> publishing avatars. Hence, the protocol design should not
>> require a file-transfer.
>>
>> Question 1: Can we make both (file-transfer and inline) possible?
>>
>> Question 2: Can we also have a URL as data source? Also
>> solves the karma problem even for images.
>>
>> Question 3: Would it be possible to not always base64 the
>> embedded data. Again: if it is not an image then plain data
>> might be nice.
>>
>> Question 4: Would it be possible to specify the encoding of
>> embedded data?
>>
>> In my project we are using 'storage:client:avatar' storage
>> for avatar data. I love the simplicity of the 3 possibilities:
>>
>> URL:
>>      <data src='http://www.capulet.com/juliet.png'/>
>>
>> Embedded/base64:
>>      <data mimetype='image/png' encoding='base64'
>>> E00fcB79F822u192e7A2067E5229ec136892A296... </data>
>>
>> Embedded/plain:
>>      <data mimetype='rpg/my-favorite-mmorpg'
>>       encoding='plain'>ACCOUNTID=6575438998</data>
>>
>> hw
>> --
>> Dr. Klaus H. Wolf
>> bluehands GmbH & Co.mmunication KG
>> http://www.bluehands.de/people/hw
>> +49 (0721) 16108 75
>> --
>> LLuna: Jabber enabled virtual presence on the web /
> http://www.lluna.de/
> Galactic developments: Open source future history / 
> http://www.galactic-developments.com/
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org
>> [mailto:standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org]On Behalf Of Peter
>> Saint-Andre
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:30 AM
>> To: standards-jig at jabber.org
>> Subject: [Standards-JIG] avatars
>>
>>
>> I haven't seen many comments on temas's proposed updates to JEP-0084:
>>
>> http://www.jabber.org/wiki/index.php/Avatars
>>
>> This seems like a good approach to me and I'd love to read an
>> updated JEP
>> that spells out the changes in more detail. :-)
>>
>> /psa
>>
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