[Standards-JIG] Extending SMTP with XMPP?

Sander Devrieze s.devrieze at pandora.be
Sun Jan 22 18:04:34 UTC 2006

Op zondag 22 januari 2006 01:58, schreef Justin Karneges:
> Hi Pete,
> On Saturday 21 January 2006 15:46, Pete Birkinshaw wrote:
> > I'm not alone in thinking that SMTP mail is beyond help. Could XMPP and
> > Jabber replace SMTP and conventional email? I think so. With a few more
> > extensions to the current Jabber protocol, all of SMTP email's
> > functionality could be provided by XMPP.
> The idea of email over XMPP surfaces frequently.  There was even an attempt
> at an implementation called NGMP (next-gen mail protocol).  However, that
> project did not really take off.  There is still plenty of room here to
> come up with new ways of tackling this problem.
> And you're right, for this to be effective it would have to be possible to
> migrate slowly.  Ideally we want a situation where two XMPP users can
> safely email each other, and unsafe SMTP is only used as a fallback when
> emailing with non-XMPP users.
> The "trick" is coming up with a decent fallback method, such that it is
> 100% compatible with the existing email system, but also so that it doesn't
> bring all of SMTP's problems along with it and thus negate the benefit of
> using XMPP in the first place.  For example, suppose you and I are both
> XMPP users: what happens if I receive a SPAM email that contains your
> forged email address?  It seems like for this system to be effective, XMPP
> users should never use SMTP with each other.
> Keep in mind that SMTP is not that bad of a protocol from the perspective
> of MUA->MTA.  We already have plenty of email applications and we'd like to
> keep using them.  A server-based solution would be best, at least at first.
> Sorry to not reply to your specific solution, I'll see about that later.  I
> just wanted to post some general things first.

I fully agree. See next document for a first attempt: 

Mvg, Sander Devrieze.
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