[Standards-JIG] The Ack Hack.

Michal vorner Vaner michal.vaner at kdemail.net
Sun May 14 07:47:08 UTC 2006

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 11:25:53AM +1000, Trejkaz wrote:
> On Sunday 14 May 2006 05:08, Pavel Šimerda wrote:
> > On 2006-05-13 17:05, Trejkaz wrote:
> > > On 13/05/2006, at 22:09 PM, Michal vorner Vaner wrote:
> > > > I did not say most of them does not, but you can not require the
> > > > storage. Even if there existed only one client that did not have, it
> > > > would not be nice of you to expect it looks usual.
> > >
> > > Actually, it wouldn't be that bad.  It just means that this 1 in 20
> > > phone clients wouldn't get reliable delivery.  If they wanted it,
> > > they could upgrade their phone.  Simple.
> >
> > None of them will get reliable delivery... there are many cases when last
> > id storage fails. Like switching clients or even computers/devices.
> >
> > It's good to eliminate duplicate messages, nothing more.....
> Look, I know that this won't give reliable delivery all by itself.  That would 
> clearly be ludicrous.
> What I said was, if 1 in 20 phone clients can't implement something intrinsic 
> to whatever protocol we come up with, then that 1 client just won't get 
> reliable delivery.  And that's fine, right?  The user can upgrade their 
> phone.
> I don't think designing around the concept of having no storage device is a 
> very smart move these days, when people can walk into a shop and buy a 1GB 
> memory card for a phone, and there are other phones on the market with *hard 
> drives*.
> Even TV set-top boxes have internal storage.

Well, it can happen we will have something similar to hardware
sip-phones, which can have read-only eprom for login credetials and it's

I said it would be nice if it worked at last somehow without the
storage, that it shouldn't be marked as MUST. That's all.


Work with computer has 2 phases. First, computer waits for the user to tell it what 
to do, then the user waits for the computer to do it. Therefore, computer work 
consists mostly of waiting.

Michal "vorner" Vaner
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