[Standards] MUC rooms on roster.

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Fri Aug 10 19:38:25 UTC 2007

Joe Hildebrand wrote:
> On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Joe Hildebrand wrote:
>>> 1) A new MUC role which effectively the opposite of visitor.  Of course,
>>> on the bar napkin, this got written as "rotisiv". :)  A rotisiv can
>>> potentially speak (broadcasting to all of the members of the room), but
>>> can't see any of the messages that are broadcast to the room.  As well,
>>> rotisivs get presence from all of the participants and moderators of the
>>> room, but nobody receives the rotisiv's presence from the room.
>>> Obviously, an implementation might want ACLs to specify who can be a
>>> rotisiv for a given room.
>> I'm not sure why you wouldn't want visitors to receive messages, perhaps
>> I'm missing something. I can understand why the room admins would not
>> want to broadcast presence from visitors in a moderated room, but that's
>> why we have the muc#roomconfig_presencebroadcast option.
> The use case is:
> - I'm not in the marketing group, but I'm rotisiv'ing it to see when any
> of them arrive at the office
> - I broadcast a message to the marketing group, asking for the new slide
> deck template, so that whoever is available can help me
> - You rotisiv the marketing group, you shouldn't see my presence through
> the group, since I'm not a member
> - You broadcast a message to the marketing group; I shouldn't see it,
> because it's none of my business

Oh, so this is for communities? I need to finish writing up our devcon
discussions on that topic. Will try to do that in the next few days.

But gosh "rotisiv" is such an ugly word. How about "ghost"?


Peter Saint-Andre

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