[Standards-JIG] DEFERRED: XEP-0171 (Language Translation)

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Thu Jan 4 17:06:07 UTC 2007

It's the same reason Internet-Drafts expire after 6 months in the IETF's 
standards process. The rationale is that we like to encourage forward 
progress and discourage stale specs, just as the IETF does. I defer my 
own specs all the time (XEP-0084 will be the next one) and there's no 
shame in it (people get busy etc.). Thankfully it's easy to make your 
spec Experimental again, just update it to incorporate the feedback that 
folks have provided on this list. Or if you think it's ready to advance 
to Draft without incorporating those comments, let me know and I'll ask 
the Council to issue a Last Call instead. Our process is explained in 
XEP-0001 so I don't think there's any mystery about this stuff.


Boyd Fletcher wrote:
> it would be nice to have it as experimental so they people don't think it is
> dead - which it certainly isn't since several folks have working
> implementations. I don't understand the rational of moving experimental
> stuff to deferred. They purpose of making something experimental is that
> people need time to implement it and see if its valid.
> boyd
> On 1/3/07 6:48 PM, "Peter Saint-Andre" <stpeter at jabber.org> wrote:
>> Once the spec is updated, feel free to send me a revised version and I
>> will move it back to Experimental. The latest XML is here:
>> http://www.jabberstudio.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/cvs/xmpp/extensions/xep-0171.x
>> ml?rev=1.3&view=log
>> Peter
>> Chris Mullins wrote:
>>> I had posted quite a few comments against this XEP a few months back,
>>> but never got any responses.
>>> When I looked through it (which I did in detail) and applied some use
>>> cases to it, there were a number of areas in which it was incomplete.
>>> --
>>> Chris Mullins
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org
>>> [mailto:standards-jig-bounces at jabber.org] On Behalf Of Boyd Fletcher
>>> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:46 AM
>>> To: XMPP Extension Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [Standards-JIG] DEFERRED: XEP-0171 (Language Translation)
>>> We would like to move it back to experimental. We have a working
>>> implementation and their are several others that are work on ones as
>>> well.
>>> Just because  the XEP isn't changing doesn't mean there is a lack of
>>> interest.
>>> boyd
>>> On 12/7/06 10:16 PM, "XMPP Extensions Editor" <editor at jabber.org> wrote:
>>>> XEP-0171 (Language Translation) has been Deferred because of
>>> inactivity.
>>>> Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for
>>> providing
>>>> language translation facilities over XMPP. It supports human, machine,
>>>> client-based, and server-based translations.
>>>> URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0171.html
>>>> If and when a new revision of this XEP is published, its status will
>>> be
>>>> changed back to Experimental.
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