[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0199 (XMPP Ping)

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at jabber.org
Tue May 8 22:27:19 UTC 2007

Mridul Muralidharan wrote:

> Ah, I see that the type=probe is not present in the presence packet : my 
> mistake, thanks for clarifiyng !

In fact that's a typo, there should be a type='probe' in one of the 

> But that addition 4.6 is what I am caught up about 

Oh, sorry, I didn't know what you were referring to, which is:


That shows an example of a server returning presence information in 
response to a probe from an entity with which a user has shared directed 
presence. I think the SHOULDs there are not necessary (the chat service 
SHOULD send a probe blah blah blah, whether that is recommended is a 
matter for XEP-0045.)

> - doesn't the example 
> in that section have the same intent as ping - check for connectivity of 
> the user ? [*] So wont xmpp ping not be a superset of that directed 
> presence usecase ?

The only point of those examples is to show that a server should answer 
a probe in that case (because the user sent directed presence). Whether 
ping is a better way to check connectivity or availability is another 

> If yes, why not remove that section and recommend use of xmpp ping for 
> that usecase ? (assuming ping xep becomes draft before 3921 bis).

We would NOT recommend XEP-0199 there because that's not the focus of 
that section. But we MIGHT recommend XEP-0199 from XEP-0045. However, 
the nice thing about presence probes in this case is that they would 
work today, they don't depend on implementation and deployment of 
XEP-0199, and in any case room joining and leaving is done with presence 
right now in MUC so using presence this way seems appropriate. However, 
that is NOT a matter for rfc3921bis to recommend or not.


Peter Saint-Andre
XMPP Standards Foundation

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