[Standards] IMML

Jonathan Chayce Dickinson chayce.za at gmail.com
Mon Sep 3 18:06:38 UTC 2007

Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote:
> Hello
> *snip*
> But, as you noticed, you probably need a home-grown XML syntethyzer,
> since you are not allowed to put many other things into the XML stream
> (like processing instructions). And you need at last to modify that one
> to handle attributes in different namespace than their tag. They need to
> generate and place XML namespace prefixes there, remember them, atc.
Very, very true. Everyone is gallivanting around with code like (as far 
as I have seen AGSXMPP and XMPP4R):

if(node.prefix == "stream" && node.localName == "stream")
  // Start of the stream.

That is WRONG. It should rather be:

if(node.namespace == "http://etherx.jabber.org/streams" && 
node.localName == "stream")
  // Start of stream.

So having to predefine prefixes, while nice, is completely unnecessary, 
and when a programmer comes along who wants to write proper code, 
everyone else falls over, because they aren't doing it properly: and 
then his program will be seen as the one with issues.

If your XML serializer shouldn't really be generating invalid XML, it 
only puts what you ask it to in the stream. The initial <?xml [...]?> PI 
is perfectly valid, and is even in some of the examples in certain XEPs.

If you HAVE to use a homegrown parser, at least do it properly. There 
are numerous examples of XML parsers written in C++, namespaces are 
easily handled using Stacks. Otherwise, look at Expat.

If you want, feel free to IM me, I would be more than happy to help you 
make MCabber more XML conformant.
> As I said, your way is 100% valid and correct. But I just think the way
> with separate tag will cause in less effort implementing it. Is there
> any advantage in your way? If there is, I have no objections using it.
Let's look at the following packets, they are delimited using a 
horizontal line. The client will only 'wake-up' about the smilies when 
the second packet is received (which is no big mission for this 
instance, but is a disaster for larger messages).

<stream:stream [...]>
  <message [...]>
     This is a test :).
   <smilie from="15" length="2" />

And, putting the tags directly in the text is SOOOO much more elegant. 
If you have a good XML parser, the implementation falls away, because in 
your case (where you don't handle emoticons) you can simply say the 


as opposed to


 Jonathan Dickinson

jonathan chayce dickinson
ruby/c# developer

email:  chayce.za at gmail.com
jabber: moitoi at inflecto.org

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