[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0186 (Invisible Command)

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Mon Sep 10 19:41:11 UTC 2007

Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>> Mridul Muralidharan wrote:
>>> Isn't this spec, for example, just special casing presence-out:deny ?
>>> "
>>> <iq type='set' id='invisible'>
>>> <query xmlns='jabber:iq:privacy'>
>>>   <list name='invisible-all'>
>>>     <item action='deny' order='1'>
>>>       <presence-out/>
>>>     </item>
>>>   </list>
>>> </query>
>>> </iq>
>>> "
>> Yes it is. But then you need access to a server and client that support
>> privacy lists. And you need to fiddle with your privacy lists all the
>> time to add and subtract invisibility, which it seems to me introduces
>> the possibility of messing up the definitions (not to mention the
>> bandwidth usage). A small, focused command seems more useful to me.
> In our client for example, there is a 'invisible to all' list which just
> does the above - invisibility actually gets shown in the ui as though it
> was a presence status.

When the user chooses "invisible to all", does that overrride all the
other rules already defined (e.g., don't allow any communications with
UserX)? I think that in order to do this right, you'd need to modify the
active rule to now include invisibility, not define a standalone rule
for it.


Peter Saint-Andre

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