[Standards] pubsub simplification

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Tue Jul 29 14:55:38 UTC 2008

On Tue Jul 29 15:18:01 2008, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Ralph Meijer wrote:
>> Dave Cridland wrote:
>>> On Tue Jul 29 06:49:41 2008, Kevin Smith wrote:
>>>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Peter Saint-Andre  
>>>> <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:
>>>> > In accordance with XMPP Council consensus, I have  
>>>> provisionally separated
>>>> > all the information about pubsub collections into a new spec:
>>>> > I wonder if at the same time we might want to move the  
>>>> information about
>>>> > presence integration from XEP-0060 back to XEP-0163?
>>>> I'm in favour of splitting collections, but not so much of  
>>>> splitting
>>>> out presence - we spent quite a long time deciding that 163  
>>>> should
>>>> only be a profile of 60, from what I recall.
>>> As a suggestion - and I'm only highlighting options - we could  
>>> split out the fancier things into one or more new specifications,  
>>> leaving XEP-0060 as a core, with extra XEPs holding additional  
>>> features, and XEP-0163 binds XEP-0060 and a selection of brightly  
>>> coloured coat hangers into the profile that is PEP.
>>> I'm not sure if this is a good idea, mind - it's not clear to me  
>>> if this gives a net benefit or not - but it would keep XEP-0163's  
>>> "profile" status.
>> I was thinking the same thing, indeed.
> Right. So not all pubsub-related features would be defined in  
> XEP-0060, because certain "profiles" (the only example we have so  
> far is PEP) would define new node configuration options and the  
> like. The result would be that XEP-0060 defines the core (is that  
> just "pub" and "sub"?) whilst other specs define things like  
> collections, presence integration, filtered notifications,  
> subscription options, management of subscription requests by the  
> node owner and other such administrative tasks, etc. So we'd have a  
> stripped-down XEP-0060 and a bunch of extensions to the pubsub core.

But, in this scenario - and I reiterate, I'm not sold on it yet  
myself - XEP-0163 would remain just a profile, gathering together a  
set of mandatory options and default behaviours, rather than defining  
anything new itself.

Another profile would probably appear which described a different set  
for "traditional pubsub".

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