[Standards] [Fwd: WG Action: Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (xmpp)]

Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standards at webkeks.org
Thu Jun 4 14:11:23 UTC 2009

Am 04.06.2009 um 10:39 schrieb Dave Cridland:

> On Thu Jun  4 03:34:45 2009, Jonathan Schleifer wrote:
>> I'm not quite familiar with how such processes at the IETF work,  
>> but  if my time allows me to, I will look how the process works and  
>> help  where I can. (Keep in mind I have no PhD in cryptography, my  
>> only  concern was that we were reinventing the wheel because we  
>> already had  stuff that even works. I'm fine with another standard  
>> than ESessions,  but no matter which standard it will be, it needs  
>> to get done ASAP.  We've been talking about this for over a year  
>> already and there's  still no standard everybody agreed on, not  
>> even to talk about a client  implementing it).
> Thankfully, the IETF works much the same way as the XSF - there's  
> some mailing lists, you join them, you offer (hopefully sensible)  
> opinions, and the resultant specification is intended to reflect the  
> consensus of the "working group" - ie, the people on the mailing  
> list. The "feel" of the working group mailing lists is much the same  
> as this one, although you will end up rubbing shoulders with people  
> who, for instance, have maintained the global email protocols for  
> the past couple of decades.
> There's no formal membership (at all) in the IETF, although there  
> is, similar to the XSF, a membership organisation called the ISOC  
> (Internet Society), which "holds the keys" as it were, and  
> formalizes the IETF's existence in legal terms.
> In fact, the only major difference is that there is a fairly length  
> and complex IPR policy. (Which is, as you'll find out if you  
> participate in the IETF, astonishingly difficult to change due to  
> the delights of the legal system).
> This policy can be boiled down to essentially two phrases for  
> participants:
> 1) If you "say" anything "in the IETF" - ie, write a post to a  
> mailing list, send a message to one of the MUC chatrooms, physically  
> speak during a meeting - then anyone else can use that for IETF  
> purposes - as in, your words can be used as part of a specification.
> 2) If you know of, or become aware of, any patents and other ikky  
> stuff, you need to let people know. There's a formal method for  
> doing this, but simply mentioning it on the XMPP WG's mailing list  
> will be enough to trigger the process. This may not mean that the  
> patented method is dropped, although in practise it usually does.
> Hope this helps,
> Dave.

Thanks for your detailed explaination, this indeed helps. I will join  
the list :).


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