[Standards] XEP-0184: <received/> vs. <displayed/> vs. <read/>

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Wed Jun 16 18:27:06 UTC 2010

On 6/16/10 12:21 PM, Yann Leboulanger wrote:
> On 06/16/2010 08:15 PM, Kevin Smith wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Peter
>> Saint-Andre<stpeter at stpeter.im>  wrote:
>>> I just had an interesting conversation with "yagiza" about XEP-0184,
>>> which he has said I can paste here. The general idea is: do we need
>>> something in XEP-0184 to indicate that a message has been read by the
>>> intended recipient? This would be similar to the<displayed/>  element in
>>> XEP-0022. I'm not convinced that we need this feature in XEP-0184, and
>>> tried to explain why to yagiza. Further discussion is welcome on this
>>> list. I've attached the log of my chat with yagiza for context.
>> The text already says that the receipt isn't sent until the message is
>> presented to the user, which seems to be exactly the behaviour
>> discussed - that the message was in the window the user had selected
>> at the time. So the XEP already covers this.
>> What it doesn't cover is acking messages as soon as the client has
>> received them and before they're presented to the user -  we have 198
>> to do exactly that.
> It's not what I understood from this XEP, and it's not what is
> implemented in Gajim.
> Requirements says "Enable a sender to request notification that an XMPP
> message stanza has been received." received here doesn't mean displayed

I agree with Yann and disagree with Kev.

received does not mean displayed
displayed does not mean read
displayed *might mean* marked-as read

> Does't chat state 'active' mean that window has focus so we can imagine
> message has been presented?



Peter Saint-Andre

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