[Standards] XEP-0184: <received/> vs. <displayed/> vs. <read/>

Yann Leboulanger asterix at lagaule.org
Fri Jun 18 19:21:10 UTC 2010

On 06/18/2010 08:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov wrote:
> Waqas Hussain пишет:
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Konstantin Kozlov <yagiza at yandex.ru>
>> wrote:
>>> Well. According to my experience, based on knowledge of my behavior and
>>> behavior of my friends, the fact that my message is not "new" anymore on
>>> the other side is enough to assume that user on the other side read it.
>> See XEP-0085: Chat State Notifications. That nicely solves the problem
>> of determining if the other side is paying attention to the
>> conversation.
> No. We don't know how messages represented on the other side. It could
> be chat windows, pop-ups or whatever author of the application can
> imagine. So, in some implementations some (or all) chat state
> notifications are meaningless or has limited usability.

Why that? <active/> means chat windows is active, not that a popup appreaed.

> Also, analyzing chat state of the other side trying to guess if the user
> paid attention to your message is much less convenient than just receive
> <read /> notification.

What's the difference bwtween receiving a <read/> amd receiving a 
<active/> stanza?


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