[Standards] XEP-0184: <received/> vs. <displayed/> vs. <read/>

Konstantin Kozlov yagiza at yandex.ru
Sat Jun 19 04:40:27 UTC 2010

Waqas Hussain wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Kozlov <yagiza at yandex.ru> wrote:
>>   No. We don't know how messages represented on the other side. It could be
>> chat windows, pop-ups or whatever author of the application can imagine. So,
>> in some implementations some (or all) chat state notifications are
>> meaningless or has limited usability.
>>   Also, analyzing chat state of the other side trying to guess if the user
>> paid attention to your message is much less convenient than just receive
>> <read /> notification.
> My mistake. I assumed you were agreeing with Kev.
    No, do not. I agree with the author.
>  You were suggesting
> a new <read/> element be added to message receipts?
> As Yann Leboulanger noted, <active/> does what you think <read/>
> should do. See http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0085.html#definitions
    Ok. I've already replied to Yann Leboulanger, trying to show that it 
does not.
>>> If you can't imagine that, then you clearly aren't trying
>>   Believe me, I really did.
> You mustn't get a lot of messages then. I can get swamped by messages
> at times. Most of them don't require/expect a response. Also, I'm not
> always paying attention to the screen, or to the IM client. When you
> have multiple items requiring focus, some get higher priority than
> others. That's not unreasonable.
>>> Not all conversations are equal. Much of it is background chatter, or
>>> messages which don't actually require a response. It's quite
>>> convenient following such conversations in a background window, or
>>> through popups (toasts).
>>   So, what?
> So, I don't want to take action to mark those as read immediately, and
> I don't want the other side to assume that I'm not reading. I am
> reading them. Just don't want to alt-tab when a response doesn't need
> to be written.
    Ok. Maybe in some situations this extension will not work as it 
should. But in most cases it will.

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