[Standards] MUC actor

Matthew A. Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.net
Wed Apr 6 13:52:34 UTC 2011

On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller
> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
>> On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
>>> On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote:
>>>> On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully <bcully at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild <mwild1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested
>>>>>> any, but it might upset some clients to see an <actor> with no 'jid'.
>>>>> Why can't the JID be no more than the room JID, and rely on existing mechanisms to map that to a real JID. If you have access to see the real JID of a participant, then you should be able to see it for the actors, if you don't, then you shouldn't. I don't see what's special about the actor JID versus any other in a MUC context.
>>>> The scenario is that in an anonymous room you want to be able to show
>>>> messages like "bjc was kicked from the room by MattJ", which are
>>>> pretty standard in e.g. IRC. Currently there is no way to do this
>>>> within the spec (as far as I'm aware) - you can have my bare JID or
>>>> nothing.
>>> Seems fine for it to be the nick, not the real JID.
>> What if the actor[jid] is the full room jid ("darkcave at chat.shakespeare.lit/firstwitch")?  It seems like a more fitting change to me: if the jid has a resource then you have the in-room nickname, else it's real jid.
>> I guess I don't see the need for the actor to include the real jid also.  You've already got the real jids via the "join" presence, if the room is non-anonymous.  Just my thoughts.
> I'm not following what you're suggesting :)
> It seems you're saying it shouldn't be the real JID, with which I
> agree, but the rest I'm hazy on.

/me takes a few more sips of coffee

That's what I'm suggesting;  Have "jid" be the full occupant JID, not the real bare JID.  No need for a "nick" attribute, IMO.

- m&m

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