[Standards] need clarification about adding own jid to roster

Sebastian Reitenbach sebastia at l00-bugdead-prods.de
Thu Feb 24 11:31:02 UTC 2011

On Wednesday, February 23, 2011 08:59:05 pm you wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach
> <sebastia at l00-bugdead-prods.de> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > as xmpp client developer (coccinella), I want to add my own jid to my
> > roster. The last time I worked on that, was about a year ago. There I
> > took RFC3921bis-08 as reference. There in chapter 2.3.3 at the end it
> > stated:
> > 
> >   The server MUST return a <not-allowed/> stanza error to the client if
> >   the value of the <item/> element's 'jid' attribute matches the bare
> >   JID <node at domain> portion of the <iq/> element's 'from' attribute
> >   (i.e., a JID MUST NOT be allowed to add itself to its own roster).
> > 
> > Therefore I was looking into adding some exceptions to handle the own JID
> > in the roster, or better explained as adding a fake jid to the roster
> > view in the client. I got a bit distracted with other stuff, and just
> > recently started again working on that.
> > 
> > now I just looked again to the in the latest revision,  20, of the RFC,
> > and I read this now:
> >      Interoperability Note: Some servers return a <not-allowed/> stanza
> >      error to the client if the value of the <item/> element's 'jid'
> >      attribute matches the bare JID <localpart at domainpart> of the
> >      user's account.
> > 
> > So I should understand this statement now as:
> > Servers should generally allow the client user to add the own JID to the
> > roster, this is no error anymore. Only older server implementations may
> > not allow adding the own jid.
> > 
> > If my understanding is right, then this would make my life much more
> > easier since I don't need to implement exceptions for the own jid.
> > 
> > cheers,
> > Sebastian
> Your client shouldn't disallow it. However, this is a relatively
> recent change, and your client should handle a <not-allowed/> error
> properly.

thank you for your reply. Coccinella client actually allows adding the own jid 
to the roster since ever. I just stumped over it a year ago, since I once 
tried to do this when connected to an openfire server, which returned the not-
allowed error. Then I started wondering, why it worked with the ejabberd I 
usually use, and found the mentioned snipped above in version 08 of the RFC, 
which explicitly states it should not be allowed. I even opened a bug report 
against ejabberd at that time: https://support.process-
Probably I should add a comment that this has changed over the time.

For me, life is much easier, when it is allowed by the server to add the own 
jid to the roster. That would follow the xmpp philosophy putting the 
complexity to the server, and would prevent me from implementing a lot of 
special handling of the own jid, like other clients do.
I'd even prefer an explicit statement in the RFC that it is allowed to add the 
own jid to the roster,  in contrast with what is in there right now.


> --
> Waqas Hussain

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