[Standards] Comments on XEP-0301 -- Section 1

Matthew Miller linuxwolf at outer-planes.net
Wed Aug 22 22:03:54 UTC 2012

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On Aug 22, 2012, at 15:42, Mark Rejhon wrote:

> Is this politics-proof:
> "TTY (derived from teletypewriter) and text telephones"
> I don't like it, but I am going to leave it unmodified (against M&M
> wishes) unless there's a consensus.

Since it *WAS*, but is no longer, an acronym, I'm ok with this.  Is there an authoritative citation you can provide?

> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Gregg Vanderheiden <gv at trace.wisc.edu> wrote:
>> agree
>> You can say
>> TTY was derived from Teletypewriter - a device originally used by people who
>> are deaf to communicate.  But today Teletypewriters no longer exist and TTY
>> is used to refer to a type of telecommunications device used by people who
>> are deaf that supports Baudot (and sometimes other coding schemes) over
>> analog phone lines.
>> that however is probably too much history.     but if you are using
>> Teletypewriter - that would be the \correct way to use it.
>> Gregg
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Gregg Vanderheiden Ph.D.
>> Director Trace R&D Center
>> Professor Industrial & Systems Engineering
>> and Biomedical Engineering
>> University of Wisconsin-Madison
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Gunnar Hellström <gunnar.hellstrom at omnitor.se>
>> wrote:
>> On 2012-08-22 22:58, Mark Rejhon wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Matthew Miller
>> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
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>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 14:42, Mark Rejhon wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Matthew Miller
>> <linuxwolf at outer-planes.net> wrote:
>> * Teletypewriter (TTY) and Text Device for the Deaf (TDD) telephones
>> [citations recommended]
>> Consulted with some peers.
>> TTY expansion to Teletypewriter -- OK, good idea.
>> TDD is actually correctly "Telecommunications Device for the Deaf",
>> but it is deprecated usage right now by most U.S. accessibility
>> organizations, in favour of TTY.  Europeans ofte use "textphones", and
>> variants thereof.
>> Also, the phrase "text telephones" is more compatible and
>> self-explanatory with the European equivalent of TTY, "textphones".
>> It's somewhat political behind the scenes in the various communities,
>> so changes to this bullet will need to be done very carefully.  I
>> spent many hours rewording just the Introduction as a result.
>> Mark Rejhon
>> That's fine.  I accept I operate under obsolete assumptions sometimes (-:
>> But it's important that all acronyms are expanded the first time they are
>> used, and even better to include an authoritative citation.
>> Oh, you might also be remembering I had
>> ... "TTY and text telephones for the deaf".
>> But I removed "for the deaf", when Peter/Kevin (one or both)
>> complained about three mentions of the word "deaf" due to the
>> overemphasis on the word, despite its clear application there.  So I
>> toned it down somewhat, reducing three mentions of "deaf" in
>> Introduction to just one mention.
>> I do not think expansion of TTY to Teletypewriter is a good idea. That tends
>> to mean the other use of the term TTY, the device that was often used as a
>> computer operator console terminal a long time ago and still lives in
>> language around such usage.
>> So TTY in this usage is more " A term used in North America for text
>> telephones, i.e. devices used for text and audio communication in the PSTN
>> mainly with deaf and hard-of-hearing persons."
>> Text telephones or textphones is the international term used by ITU-T ( E.g.
>> V.18 and F.703 )  3GPP ( e.g. TS 22.226 )
>> IETF ( e.g. RFC 4734 ).
>> Various countries in Europe have different names for the concept in their
>> national languages, so text telephone is not specifically European.
>> I hope it is clear by combining TTY with text telephone what it referred to,
>> so that we do not need to drag in a long descriptions of a peripheral item
>> into the spec.
>> Gunnar

- - m&m

Matthew A. Miller

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