[Standards] disco identity for "client/smartphone"?

Kevin Smith kevin at kismith.co.uk
Mon Dec 3 08:52:51 UTC 2012

On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Kozlov Konstantin <yagiza at yandex.ru> wrote:
> 03.12.2012, 12:30, "Kevin Smith" <kevin at kismith.co.uk>:
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Kozlov Konstantin <yagiza at yandex.ru> wrote:
>>>  30.11.2012, 12:26, "Kevin Smith" <kevin at kismith.co.uk>:
>>>>  On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:
>>>>>   Looking at http://xmpp.org/registrar/disco-categories.html I notice
>>>>>   that we have disco identities for "client/handheld" (e.g., PDA) and
>>>>>   "client/phone" (e.g., mobile phone), but I think those are a bit
>>>>>   old-fashioned by now. We might want to add an identity for
>>>>>   "client/smartphone" (i.e., a phone that can do a lot more than the
>>>>>   old-style phones we had in mind when we defined "client/phone").
>>>>  If this thing is capable of running an XMPP client on it, it's a smartphone.
>>>  Why?! Any cheap J2ME-enabled phone can run XMPP client without any problem.
>>>  Usually we call "smartphones" only mobile devices with operating system (Symbian, Windows CE/Mobile/Phone, iOS or Android).
>>>  So, if you call any Java-enabled mobile phone "smartphone", you should agree that no mobile phones produced today at all. Only smartphones!
>> Yes, that's the point - today's feature phones can do more than
>> yesterday's smart phones, so this distinction doesn't provide any
>> value that I can see. Distinguishing available features of clients is
>> provided through 115/30.
> Because of java overheads, it's almost impossible to write audio/video codec for J2ME. Writing codecs for device native OS is not a problem for last few years. So, most likely there will be no Jingle RTP support for a phone client, and there will be one for a smartphone client.

Yes - as I said, there's no reason to look at the identity to guess
what features are available in a client. We have 115/30 for this.


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