[Standards] Fwd: [Council] Minutes 2015-07-22

Dave Cridland dave at cridland.net
Thu Jul 23 09:59:41 UTC 2015

On 23 July 2015 at 10:23, Kevin Smith <kevin.smith at isode.com> wrote:

> On 23 Jul 2015, at 08:58, Dave Cridland <dave at cridland.net> wrote:
> > > Dave abstains, Fippo, Kev, Lance, Matt to vote on list.
> > >
> >
> > For the record, I didn't abstain.
> He who writes the minutes…
> But less flippantly, I think this was an abstention. XEP-0001 uses the
> word ‘neutral’ to describe a vote of 0, (with +1 being approve and -1 being
> disapprove, with reasons), and formally stating that you are not voting for
> or against is, at least by the only dictionary I have to hand, the
> definition of abstention - meaning a neutral vote is an abstention.
Neutral is probably the better term, but not abstention.

An abstention would not count in terms of finding at least a simple
majority, and would also be illegal by XEP-0001, too, which says we must

> > Advancement requires a majority vote, and Council members also have a
> veto. I didn't vote for it, but didn't veto it  - I just voted. You could
> describe it as a vote against (but not a veto). If three of my colleagues
> vote the same way, it won't pass, lacking the required majority.
> But there isn't the opportunity to vote against and not veto, per
> XEP-0001. One can informally say they don’t like it or have concerns, and
> formally abstain (0) in the vote, which I think is what this is.
> /K
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