[Standards] Deprecating Privacy Lists

Goffi goffi at goffi.org
Wed Sep 30 10:18:35 UTC 2015

Le mercredi 30 septembre 2015, 10:47:44 Holger Weiß a écrit :

> Interoperability between clients is broken today due to the use of two
> incompatible extensions.

Then the interop issue should be fixed.

I think a global invisible command like in XEP-0186 is a really bad idea: 
invisibility is useful with granularity. Of course you can send directed 
presences, but if I have 200 people in a roster group, I don't want to send 
200 directed presences, and keep it up to date if I add/remove people to/from 
that group.

I want to be able to:

- be (in)visible to one or several groups
- block people from one or several groups
- block people not in my roster

I think that's the basic requirement, and I would be happy with simpler XEP 
allowing these use cases (it would have been nice to update XEP-0186 but the 
last call for draft has expired, so I guess it's too late).
As long as it is not possible to do that, privacy lists should not be 

There are probably other use cases I don't think about right now, maybe other 
developers/users can point them out.


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