[Standards] Easy XMPP
stpeter at stpeter.im
Mon Jan 16 17:03:35 UTC 2017
On 1/16/17 9:50 AM, Georg Lukas wrote:
> Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im>:
>> So, at this point, I wonder what we're doing here. :-)
> Signal is a single company
It's a not-for-profit organization. Not exactly a for-profit monster
like Google or Facebook.
> providing a centralized product.
How important is the centralized aspect? The clients are open-source and
can be inspected to determine the level of security and privacy.
> I think
> what's missing the most for our user community is the federation and
> the choice of clients.
Few real people care about those things.
> While I agree with you that they have achieved
> significant results with a bunch of people,
~6 people is a small bunch.
> this only shows that we
> can get at least as good, if we just concentrate our efforts.
But we haven't done a good job of that. What's that definition of
insanity? "Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting
different results", right?
> A single decision by Moxie or a single court order in some country
> can make Signal unavailable to a large part of its user base.
That does concern me.
I'd argue that truly decentralized technologies (no servers or services
involved at all) are even better than a federated model. But those are
really hard to build.
> Email and the web have survived the last decades, while centralized
> services came and went away (anybody remembers AOL? MySpace?).
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