[Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-04-18

Tedd Sterr teddsterr at outlook.com
Fri Apr 20 19:15:10 UTC 2018


1) Roll Call
Present: Sam, Dave, Kev, Georg
Absconding: Daniel

2) Last Minute Agenda Bashing
Dave asks whether there is anything to add to the agenda - Sam is not aware of anything.

3) XEP-0050 'execute' Issue
Dave asks Kev if he wants kick this one off; Kev isn't desperate to, and has been waiting for everyone to have digested it enough to be able to comment; he assumes they have not.
Georg suggests everyone was waiting for Kev's expert opinion; Kev notes that, for the past few weeks, everyone has been expected to go away and try to understand the issue - adding that it's not simple, and people voting for whatever text he suggests, based on whether it appears reasonable, isn't the right way to go.
Sam mentions having read back through this, but doesn't remember what the original problem was; Kev explains that it's possible to have an illegal state because 'execute' is overloaded in weird ways - there is an execute action, and an execute attribute for setting a default action, but the execute-attribute default action is not the execute action, which may well be invalid. Sam gains an epiphany. Dave attempts to clarify that the default for the execute action is 'complete', unless other actions are specified whereby the default is 'next' which may not even be present - Kev confirms.
Kev mentions PR #598 (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/598) as his attempt to address the issue by unifying the execute attribute and action into one, and that everyone should consider carefully whether this solution will break anything.
Kev explains further that currently if execute is set to 'complete' and the execute command is run, it's actually 'next' that's run; and if there is no 'next' action defined, that's obviously a problem. Dave is justifiably mystified.
Dave suggests an alternative solution might be to deprecate the execute action; Kev thinks this could be a better solution.
Peter utters from the shadows that he recently found his marked-up paper copy of XEP-0050 from several years ago - Kev asks whether it fixes this issue - alas, they are mostly editorial notes.
Dave repeats his suggestion of deprecating the execute action, on the basis of unexpected behaviour; Sam agrees this seems like a good solution as multiple people have been confused in a similar way.

4) XEP-0138 Stream Compression - https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0138.html
Dave asks if people want to discuss this, given that the meeting has already run to almost 30 minutes; Kev is less than enthusiastic; Sam doesn't have much to say on the matter.

5) PR #577 - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/577
Dave decides to skip the remainder, and commits to working out #577's status for next week.

6) Outstanding Votes - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AZ-Sna6OiRG--b-mJMKv3XXfrn3Nehm0kAtlyJvImL0/edit
Dave will do his after the meeting; Georg has been otherwise occupied with traversing the country.

7) AOB
The barely audible sound of cicadas becomes apparent in the distance.

8) Next Meeting
2018-04-25 1500 UTC works for all present, with the exception of Kev who is almost certainly not able to make it.

9) Close
Thanks all.
Dave apologises for the disorganisation and hopes to get things back on track next week.

Discussion of the XEP-0050 issue continues...

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