[Standards] Dusty Drafts

Peter Saint-Andre stpeter at stpeter.im
Wed Feb 28 14:30:02 UTC 2018


On 2/28/18 2:49 AM, Kevin Smith wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2018, at 16:21, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter at stpeter.im> wrote:
>>
>> On 2/27/18 5:40 AM, Tedd Sterr wrote:
>>> For reference, XEPs that list the given XEP as a dependency (to what
>>> extent they actually make use of it is another matter):
>>
>> Thanks. Further comments inline.
>>
>>> *XEP-0020 (Feature Negotiation; Draft; 2006-11-21)*
>>>  - XEP-0041 (Reliable Entity Link; Retra)
>>>  - XEP-0052 (File Transfer; Retra)
>>>  - XEP-0116 (Encrypted Session Negotiation; Defer)
>>>  - XEP-0155 (Stanza Session Negotiation; Draft)
>>>  - XEP-0187 (Offline Encrypted Sessions; Defer)
>>>  - XEP-0217 (Simplified Encrypted Session Negotiation; Defer)
>>
>> Encrypted sessions should be obsoleted, too.
> 
> +1
> 
>>> *XEP-0048 (Bookmarks; Draft; 2007-11-07)*
>>>  - XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2018; Draft)
>>>
>>> *XEP-0059 (Result Set Management; Draft; 2006-09-20)*
>>>  - XEP-0060 (Publish-Subscribe; Draft)
>>
>> We could look at the usage in pubsub and see if it's really needed. But
>> I seem to recall a dependency in XEP-0045 too.
> 
> I thought we were talking about Finalling 59, not Obsoleting it. It’s absolutely core to 313.

Right.

>>>  - XEP-0136 (Message Archiving; Depre)
>>>  - XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management; Exper)
>>>  - XEP-0329 (File Information Sharing; Defer)
>>>
>>> *XEP-0066 (Out of Band Data; Draft; 2006-08-16)*
>>>  - XEP-0129 (WebDAV File Transfers; Defer)
>>>  - XEP-0158 (CAPTCHA Forms; Draft)
>>
>> The XEP-0158 reference was there for backward-compatibility and could be
>> removed if we want to modernize CAPTCHA forms.
> 
> We do we need to remove the reference from 158 if we’re moving 66 to Final? Draft specs depending on Final is fine.

Moving 66 OOB Data to Final seems good.

>>> *XEP-0092 (Software Version; Draft; 2007-02-15)*
>>>  - (none listed)
>>
>> This is widely implemented AFAIK.
> 
> Yes, may as well Final.
> 
>>> *XEP-0122 (Data Forms Validation; Draft; 2004-09-22)*
>>>  - XEP-0325 (Internet of Things - Control; Retra)
>>>  - XEP-0326 (Internet of Things - Concentrators; Retra)
>>>  - XEP-0331 (Data Forms - Color Field Types; Defer)
>>>  - XEP-0350 (Data Forms Geolocation Element; Defer)
>>
>> Safe to obsolete.
> 
> I think in your other mail you suggest Finalling 122, not obsoleting it. It’s used, so I think Obsoleting would be wrong.
> 
>>> *XEP-0141 (Data Forms Layout; Draft; 2005-05-12)*
>>>  - XEP-0325 (Internet of Things - Control; Retra)
>>>  - XEP-0326 (Internet of Things - Concentrators; Retra)
>>
>> Safe to obsolete.
> 
> I don’t see why we’d obsolete 141 either.

Because I thought people wanted to aggressively prune the list of specs
that developers need to wade through. Moving these to Final instead
seems OK.

Peter


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