[Standards] OBSOLETED: XEP-0071 (XHTML-IM)

Manuel Rubio manuel at altenwald.com
Thu Mar 8 10:54:49 UTC 2018

Hi guys,

I usually only read to understand and learn but sometimes I head up and 
freak out with some decision. I usually read RFC and when a new one is 
released it supersedes, deprecates or obsoletes another one. But, the 
status of that RFC usually is definitive. Obviously it's definitive 
until a better one is released (as Descartes always said there are 
nothing definitive only temporal until we can find a better 

In this case I can see you are putting "obsolete" to XEP-0071 and it's 
intended there are a new proposal better on the table... where? XEP-0071 
has no explanation about why it was obsoleted only a vague description 
"Per a vote of the XMPP Council, advanced to Obsolete". I wanted to know 

And more important, if the XEP-0071 is obsoleted because XEP-0393 is 
there... why XEP-0393 is experimental? I'm not pretty sure but looks 
like you are suggesting to use something experimental instead of 
something it was working for years. If XEP-0393 is the reason because 
XEP-0071 is obsoleted, I think it's fair enough to advance the state 
from experimental to something different for XEP-0393, IMO.

Last thing, what's the usual flow for the states? I cannot find 
information here: https://xmpp.org/extensions/ ; there are only the 
possibility to filter based on those states but not information about 
what means each one or even how it could be advanced from one to 

Manuel Rubio.

El 2018-03-08 10:57, Goffi escribió:
> Le mercredi 7 mars 2018, 19:21:45 CET Kozlov Konstantin a écrit :
>> Thank you for your reply. Yes, I know about those two. As for 
>> XEP-0394, I
>> feel so bad the XEP idea, so I don't even want to discuss the XEP
>> itself.
> Out of curiousity, what do you dislike in this XEP? I actually find the 
> idea
> really good, it's a clean separation between content and style, which 
> means
> that there is not need to send a text version as we have too with 
> XEP-0393 on the other hand is totally mixing style and content, that's 
> why
> I really dislike it.
> Goffi
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