[Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-10-03

Tedd Sterr teddsterr at outlook.com
Fri Oct 5 20:10:39 UTC 2018


1) Roll Call
Present: Kev, Daniel, Sam
More not here than here: Georg
Even more not here than here: Dave

2) Agenda Bashing
Kev says "Cool."

3a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Bookmarks Conversion - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/bookmarks-conversion.html
Kev isn't sure about the Introduction implying that "Bookmarks 2" (BM2) is not widely adopted while PEP bookmarks are; Zash thinks there are 3 client BM2 implementations.
Kev would be inclined to go straight to BM2, but isn't blocking the proto-XEP.
Daniel has many issues with BM2; Kev doesn't necessarily mean he's in favour of BM2 as currently written.

Georg: [on-list]
Daniel: +1
Kev: +1
Sam: +1
Dave: [pending]

3b) Last Call: XEP-0359 (Unique and Stable Stanza IDs)

Kev: +1 (see no harm in issuing LCs in general)
Sam: +1
Daniel: +1
Georg: +1
Dave:  [pending]

3c) Last Call: XEP-0357 (Push Notifications)
Kev, once again, sees no harm in an LC, but suspects it's not ready for advancement.
Daniel also doesn't think it will make it, but doesn't object to the LC.
Sam suggests the LC will at least help flush out some feedback from the community.

Kev: +1
Daniel: +1
Georg: +1
Sam: +1
Dave: [pending]

4) Outstanding Votes
Outstanding Votes are still outstanding.

5) Next Meeting
2018-10-10 1500 UTC

6) AOB
Link Mauve queries the status of the MUC Avatars proto-XEP (https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/muc-avatars.html); Kev notes that it had three +1s, and Sam vetoed on-list.
Sam suspects that may have been his evil twin, and requests a link for further investigation - Kev points him in the appropriate direction (https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2018-September/035351.html) - Sam agrees with his evil twin.
Kev thinks that delaying small improvements in the hopes of finding eventual perfection probably isn't the best way to go; if people are doing it anyway, inter-operating is better than not and provides a clear specification to deprecate later.
Sam maintains that it should be as simple as mentioning this can be done in one of the other avatar specs, rather than a full re-hash of vcard-temp.
Kev prefers, in some future alternate reality, to be able to say "Here are all the ways people do it already. We're now deprecating them all in favour of the One True Ring", instead of "Here are some of the ways, we're deprecating those, but lots of people did other things and we can't say anything about those."
Dave liked Edhelas's suggestions for expanding this to include PubSub nodes and others.

Kev ushers everyone to move on from the current topic and bring the meeting to a swift close.

Sam asks whether PR #706 (https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/706) is a matter for Council - there was a confusion a few weeks ago that updating to the new language would have fixed, and it is already being used that way; Kev thinks it would make a nice addition to next week's agenda.

7) Close
Kev thanks all.

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