[Standards] Whitespace "ping"

Guus der Kinderen guus.der.kinderen at gmail.com
Tue Jun 11 12:31:13 UTC 2019

I'd have to check, but I think we're sending a IQ Ping when the client
misses it's first white space ping interval (whatever we deem is
appropriate in that server config), and define the client to be
disconnected when it doesn't respond in a timely manner. This covers both
of your "the client is being silly" scenario's: to many whitespace pings
aren't adding much overhead to the server, while to few pings are covered
by the IQ Ping. I agree with you that it's all very unspecified, which
could be improved on. I'm not seeing much of a direct  _need_ to do that,
but I'd not oppose it either.

On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 at 14:24, Mickaël Rémond <mremond at process-one.net>

> Hello Guus,
> On 11 Jun 2019, at 14:00, Guus der Kinderen <guus.der.kinderen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> What we need basically is a way to negotiate the interval with server
> I'm not sure if this is _needed_? Without this being a requirement, much
> of the complexity of "making this more standard" falls away.
> Well, I think if the server does not have to approve the value, client
> could expect to set it to something extreme (like 1s) or useless (like 1
> days). The server could thus reply with a different value. And still the
> server needs to know at which rate the client is expected to send the keep
> alive.
> But, yes, it is always possible to do something like that in a non
> standard way. My point was trying to agree on something to make life of
> client developers easier :)
> A server could, before determining that a connection is lost, attempt to
> send any IQ stanza (PING is an obvious choice, but any query will do). As
> the client is obliged to respond, if anything with an error, the server
> knows if the connection is, in fact, lost.
> What would be the trigger for determining that the connection is lost and
> send the ping? Is it whitespace keep-alive or anything else?
> Thanks!
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> Mickaël Rémond
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