[Standards] Council Minutes 2020-08-19

Tedd Sterr teddsterr at outlook.com
Tue Aug 25 23:28:54 UTC 2020


1) Roll Call
Present: Daniel, Zash, Jonas, Georg, Dave

2) Agenda Bashing
Jonas apologises for the delayed agenda, but hopes everyone still got a chance to look at it.

3) Editor's Update
* ProtoXEPs:
  - Message Archive Management Preferences
  - Pubsub Message Archive Management

Both ProtoXEPs were created as a spin-off from the latest MAM update, but were held up in the PR queue - congratulations to MattJ!

4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Archive Management Preferences - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-mam-prefs.html
Jonas has formal issues.
Georg also has issues - namely, experience shows that the default should be 'all' and not 'roster'; and, in the context of XEP-0313, there should be a way to indicate that MAM storage preferences have not yet been explicitly configured, so the client can display a GDPR opt-in dialog. Jonas thinks it will be easier to handle those concerns in an XEP independent of 0313.
Dave is concerned that this is using the same namespace as XEP-0313 - Jonas thinks that's a feature, not a bug; Georg doesn't think it's necessarily a problem. Editor will try to move it to a different namespace once a bumping change happens - Dave thinks it might be worth just changing the namespace now, with a note of what it was previously.

Daniel: +1
Georg: +1
Jonas: +1
Dave: +1
Zash: [on-list]

The author, MattJ, sees this as a dead-end anyway (likely no bumping changes) as giving users fine-grained control over archiving is troublesome; Jonas suggests discussing this on-list.

4b) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Message Archive Management - https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/xep-pubsub-mam.html
Daniel: +1
Zash: [on-list]
Jonas: +1 (though it also needs some love)
Dave: +1
Georg: +1

4c) PR #976 (XEP-0060: Add missing querytype 'retrieve' action and 'item' key to registry submission) - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/976
Jonas suspects this could have been editorial, but wanted to make sure - Daniel thinks so too.
Georg inquires on the overall state of the Registry - Jonas says not to ask - Georg doesn't ask.

Georg: +1
Dave: +1
Jonas: +1
Daniel: +1
Zash: +1

4d) PR#975 (XEP-0004: Clarify field type omission for 'submit' and 'result' form field types, Version 2) - https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/975
Jonas advises not to join the +1 train this time just because it was proposed convincingly.

Zash: +1
Jonas: +1
Daniel: [on-list]
Georg: +1
Dave: +1 (because Jonas proposed it convincingly)

5) Pending Votes

6) Date of Next
2020-08-26 1500 UTC

7) AOB
Jonas will be on vacation during the week of September 9th, so will be unable to chair or prepare an agenda (just a forewarning so someone can heroically step forward); September will also be 'interesting' in general, so service quality may fluctuate, hopefully returning to normal in October.

Georg might be on vacation for two weeks from September 14th, or possibly some other two weeks thereafter.

Peter is reviewing PR #905 [1] now.

8) Close
Thanks everyone. Stay healthy.

[1] https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/905

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