[Members] Re: XSF EU Legal Structure: Example Proposals

Hello Peter and all, I have verified Jabber trademarks are always here and Cisco Jabber always exists: - https://www.google.com/search?q=Cisco+Jabber - https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/unified-communications/jabber/index.… - https://www.webex.com/downloads/jabber.html - https://www.webex.com/downloads/jabber/jabber-vdi.html - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cisco-jabber/id467192391 - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/guest-access-cisco-jabber/id834663605 - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cisco-jabber-for-intune/id1487776871 - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/cisco-jabber-for-intune/id1487776871 - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cisco.im - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cisco.im.intune - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cisco.im.bb - https://marketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/product/office/wa200001496 For me, if the XMPP Standards Foundation (XSF) moves of country (address changes), the previous contracts continue. It is needed to contact all entities, for example Cisco and to request an update with the new localisation, the new address. Regards, BOCQUET Ludovic ________________________________________ From: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter(a)stpeter.im> Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2026 8:33 PM To: XSF Members Subject: [Members] Re: XSF EU Legal Structure: Example Proposals On 3/4/26 6:01 AM, Guus der Kinderen wrote: As Dave Cridland mentioned elsewhere in these threads, the trademark licensing agreement with Cisco over the JABBER trademark is indeed something to think about. However, here are several considerations: 1. Very few developers use the JABBER mark in their XMPP-related software anymore, no? Doing so was rather common in 1999 and for a few years afterward (when the XSF was still called the JSF), but that was a long time ago. Most of the existing applications date to 2004-2006: https://xmpp.org/about/xsf/jabber-trademark/approved-applications/ 2. For all I know, Cisco might not be using the JABBER mark anymore either. 3. The purpose of the trademark licensing agreement was to make it easier for all those open-source projects circa 2004 to use the JABBER mark. If the agreement lapses (preferably in a controlled way, i.e., we would contact Cisco and let them know we're shutting down old-XSF and the successor organization or project doesn't wish to take on trademark licensing), then projects and companies could continue to contact Cisco directly about licensing the trademark. Or they could simply choose a name that doesn't include the JABBER mark... Peter