First, the boring bits:
I don't think this needs a vote at all - though if it gets one, it's
binding. Outside of a vote taking it out of their hands, it's a decision
for the comms team.
Second, my opinion as Board Member:
For me, it comes down to cost/benefit.
The-social-network-formally-known-as-Twitter has always had the
not-insignificant cost, for the XSF, of being a closed platform that we
don't support, condone, or promote anyway. Yet we've been on it, as an
organisation, for years, because it was a useful mode of outreach.
If this outreach has dropped significantly - or indeed if we no longer have
the data to know - then its utility is at an end.
But I would also not rush into ditching it without having a replacement
outreach in place - and I'd love to see that being one or more gateways
from something we do want to support, condone, and promote. (Mattermost?
Movim?).
As for Musk's behaviour, this also pushes a thumb on the side of the scales
marked "cost". I don't think the XSF particularly needs a public opinion on
whether he was deliberately mimicking a Nazi salute - the decrease in the
utility of the platform is quite enough reason. There's plenty of places
banning links to the platform, now, and these things mean that actively
engaging on the platform has significant downsides.
However, that all said, we should shutter, not close, the account to avoid
anyone else from obtaining the name - and if the platform is actually
useful to us, we should continue to use it.
So first and foremost, I'd like to hear from the Comms Team operating the
account, and I'd support a Board-level vote to act as an umbrella for any
political fallout from this - though as I note, this is not a political
decision but one based on utility alone, even if politics almost certainly
has had an effect on utility.
Third, my personal opinion:
So, you'll note I'm being cautious of stating my opinion in terms of how I
think the XSF should act. You may from that be drawing the conclusion that
I am some kind of Musk fanboi. I shall now disabuse you of this notion -
but still, in general terms I do try to keep my personal opinions away from
what I think the XSF should do.
I always thought Musk was a twat, and have long refused to consider one of
his products for that reason alone, but he really seems to have gone off
the deep end now. Either he's accidentally managed a Nazi salute, in the
style of Hitler at a rally, or he's done so deliberately - either way he's
avoiding apologising, and making it clear that's not what he meant, and
condemning Nazism. Instead he's smirking and being "edgy". What a fucking
pillock.
Dave.
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 at 09:16, Mathieu Pasquet <mathieui(a)mathieui.net> wrote:
Good day everyone,
The topic has come up in the xsf@ chatroom, and it has been suggested
that we take this topic to the mailing list, so I will be doing just that.
Twitter was never a spotless social network (is there any?), but it did
allow at one point somewhat global communication; nowadays it is mostly a
far-right echo chamber [1][2], that its owner (a man who is very used to
racist dogwhistles [3][4], transphobic discourse [5], and other ways [6] of
denying the humanity of a sizeable portion of the world’s population,
essentially a 4chan troll, which is quite clear for anyone who has seen him
tweet) is using to propel his nazi or nazi-adjacent champions [7][8][9]
across the world in the hope that they win elections. My personal opinion
is that staying there is not taking a neutral political stance., if that is
something the XSF is interested in.
Moreover, and this might be of interest to people all over the political
spectrum (in a way that supporting human rights is sadly not anymore), the
reach that the platform could allow is simply gone, because all the
features and algorithms have been tweaked over the year to promote clashes,
insults, and divisive content [10], something I do not believe the XSF
wants to engage in.
We are already on mastodon, with much better numbers (and probably more
actual people), and if we are not on BlueSky we can either use a bridge to
appear there, or open an account there and hope it will also be a
decentralized network one day.
I assume this needs a decision by the board or a member vote, so here I
am.
The topic came up last year [11] but I do not believe a decision was
reached.
I know the topic can be somewhat divisive, but I believe the mailing list
can be a better venue to discuss it than the chatroom.
Regards,
Mathieu
[1]
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/07/15/elon-musk-twitter-blue-checks-verifica…
[2]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/04/elon-musk-x-trump-far-ri…
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)
[4]
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/21/the-gesture-speaks-for-i…
[5]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/elon-musk-twitter-transgender-hate-speec…
[6]
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-tr…
[7]
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kez8d2dygo
[8]
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/01/10/on-x-elon-musk-n…
[9]
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-turned-x-trump-echo-cha…
[10]
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1elddq34p7o
[11]
https://logs.xmpp.org/xsf/2024-03-07#2024-03-07-3bb85c8d4955ac0d