[Members] Re: Removing the XSF presence on Twitter/X

Trần H. Trung <work(a)trung.fun> hat am 11.02.2025 01:32 CET geschrieben: First of all, I would like to thank Eddie for great work done for the communication team. Even though it is not technical, the effort of reaching out to the wider audience is as hard as our main work. (I'd argue that perhaps it's even harder if you're more of a technical person.) I share the similar opinion as emus. This reminds me that the other day somebody asked about the possibility to send the same message across different accounts in `jdev(a)muc.xmpp.org`. Even though my reply was something like "it is odd for a human to do such thing". We however are not a single humans and our objective for this particular action is clear: "we aim to reach out to people." Follow this objective, if we cherry pick individual platforms for their political agenda, we are no longer taking the neutral political stand. Thus on this side of the argument, I would go further than Twitter and say we should open accounts on all other popular platforms to reach even a wider audience. My finger is pointing at OnlyFans and alike. The alternative action to keep a neutral stand as Eddie have mentioned is if we are going to remove ourselves from Twitter, we should also remove ourselves from every "social media" platforms that we are on currently. And instead, we should post our content only through `xmpp.org` and find other methods to reach out to the wider world if necessary. Either way is fine by me but I disagree removing our Twitter presence alone if we are going to do this at all. ————————————— Trần H. Trung ————————————————— https://trung.fun mailto:work@trung.fun xmpp:trần.h.trung@trung.fun ——————————————————————————— PGP: 272B C112 E0C1 CA52 2987 8E06 4C2E 262F 6514 7810 ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————— On 25/02/10 09:35pm, E.M. wrote: > Hello all, > > Thank ypu for the input. I have been reading the entire discussion and summarized as: > > * a majority in this thread advocates to leave the platform for multiple reasons > * we should not delete the account due to control and archive > > I would like to add that if we leave the platform for political reasons, we will in my opinion also need to abandon the use of for example LinkedIn, Google Summer of Code, GitHub and YouTube. I think such a political position does also not allow other certain activities. > > That is not a good step in my opinion. > > In the end I will not take the decision here and make this to at least board or a member vote. > > Last but not least I also critizise the discussion and tone around this topic. This got worse in recent years and I am very sick of many people not being able to reflect their own behavior, their own media consumption while blaming others where they can. > > Cheers, > Eddie > > 5 feb 2025 14:16:15 Ralph Meijer <ralphm(a)ik.nu>nu>: > > > On 03/02/2025 17.33, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > >> On Samstag, 25. Januar 2025 22:07:16 MEZ Goffi wrote: > >>> I'm not even in favor of maintaining an account as the archive can't be > >>> consulted without registration. Instead, any tool to dump the archive should > >>> be used, and we could display it anywhere. > >> But should we keep it in order to avoid someone else registering the same name > >> and use it for bad purposes? > >> > >> I am sure we can't control all places where this is linked as the XSF's > >> Twitter account. > > > > Yes. > > > > In my opinion, removing past posts from X (whether we keep the account or not to prevent squatting) does not serve a clear purpose. Those who do not want to be there will not look there. I appreciate that people in our community may have stopped using X for whatever reason. Individual posts remain available without logging in, but I agree that not being able to see all of our posts in one view is regrettable. > > > > However, I personally remain a user of X as one of many sources of information and a way to communicate with other users (still) there. Removing past information there (I guess for any account), including its original context and responses, is a significant loss to me. I am sure I am not alone in this. > > > > I have been surprised and disappointed by the labeling of people using certain social networks in this thread. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, but that does not mean that others have to agree. If we want to be a truly open organization, this has to include difference of opinion and choice. > > > > Separate from my personal use of X or my private (!) opinion on particular individuals, I do not think the XSF should take a stance in that debate. Staying there does not mean that the XSF, its members, or the XMPP community in general, somehow validates other people's (mis)behavior there. It is not up to the XSF to arbitrate which platforms are "ok" and which are not. > > > > As I said before, if there is utility in letting people in other circles (than those who want nothing to do with X) know about what we do, then we should continue to post on X (too). I personally think there is. If none of the current individual Comms team members want to be part of that, we can figure that out separately. This might also be a good time to point out that we have not posted to X since 9 November 2024. > > > > Just like last week, I will happily discuss my personal opinions over a beverage. Or something else entirely. > > > > -- > > ralphm